MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

Nice to see the MIAA go with the 2nd team this year.  I always thought it would be better to honor more players than just the 6 selected the past 5-6 years.

They've selected a 2nd team every year I've followed this league.
http://miaa.org/sports/mbkb/all-time/mbkb12
http://miaa.org/sports/mbkb/all-time/mbkb11
etc.

When you go to the MIAA site archives for All time All MIAA selections it lists only the 6 for the last 6 years.

[iwumichigander]

FWIW  I remember last year when "conventional" wisdom didn't give Calvin much of a chance once they won the MIAA tourney.

I'm not sure this is correct either. Massey gave Calvin the advantage at Rose-Hulman last year, then predicted a five-point loss to UWSP, and then an eight point loss at St. Thomas.

They weren't predicted to do quite as well as they did, but they were supposed to be competitive in the three games.

I think Pat Coleman might have even picked Calvin as the potential "surprise team" in that section of the bracket in his pre-Tournament writeup on the main page.

I think Calvin can do rather well in their pod.  Kruis will need to have two good games though.

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FWIW  I remember last year when "conventional" wisdom didn't give Calvin much of a chance once they won the MIAA tourney.

I'm not sure this is correct either. Massey gave Calvin the advantage at Rose-Hulman last year, then predicted a five-point loss to UWSP, and then an eight point loss at St. Thomas.

They weren't predicted to do quite as well as they did, but they were supposed to be competitive in the three games.

I think Pat Coleman might have even picked Calvin as the potential "surprise team" in that section of the bracket in his pre-Tournament writeup on the main page.

Calvin didn't look good on paper to the committees but they were #12 in the D3hoops.com poll heading into the tournament.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Nice to see the MIAA go with the 2nd team this year.  I always thought it would be better to honor more players than just the 6 selected the past 5-6 years.

They've selected a 2nd team every year I've followed this league.
http://miaa.org/sports/mbkb/all-time/mbkb12
http://miaa.org/sports/mbkb/all-time/mbkb11
etc.

When you go to the MIAA site archives for All time All MIAA selections it lists only the 6 for the last 6 years.

But if you go the Archives, and click on the 2012-13 in Review (or any other year) you see the full thing.  In fact it used to be an even bigger list, but they removed the Honorable Mention in 07-08

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But if you go the Archives, and click on the 2012-13 in Review (or any other year) you see the full thing.  In fact it used to be an even bigger list, but they removed the Honorable Mention in 07-08

You mean the list of seniors not already recognized in the first and second teams.

[iwumichigander]

FWIW  I remember last year when "conventional" wisdom didn't give Calvin much of a chance once they won the MIAA tourney.

I'm not sure this is correct either. Massey gave Calvin the advantage at Rose-Hulman last year, then predicted a five-point loss to UWSP, and then an eight point loss at St. Thomas.

They weren't predicted to do quite as well as they did, but they were supposed to be competitive in the three games.

I think Pat Coleman might have even picked Calvin as the potential "surprise team" in that section of the bracket in his pre-Tournament writeup on the main page.

Calvin didn't look good on paper to the committees but they were #12 in the D3hoops.com poll heading into the tournament.

What hurts Calvin in their SOS.  Someone hit on the subject in an earlier post.  Too many non-D3 non-conference games.  I respect why Calvin plays those games; but, if Calvin wants better positioning I think it needs to add a least 2 more D3 non-conference games and not necessarily against ranked teams just not cup cakes.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

But if you go the Archives, and click on the 2012-13 in Review (or any other year) you see the full thing.  In fact it used to be an even bigger list, but they removed the Honorable Mention in 07-08

You mean the list of seniors not already recognized in the first and second teams.

Exactly - or the nod to at least one guy from every team

[KnightSlappy]

FWIW  I remember last year when "conventional" wisdom didn't give Calvin much of a chance once they won the MIAA tourney.

I'm not sure this is correct either. Massey gave Calvin the advantage at Rose-Hulman last year, then predicted a five-point loss to UWSP, and then an eight point loss at St. Thomas.

They weren't predicted to do quite as well as they did, but they were supposed to be competitive in the three games.

I think Pat Coleman might have even picked Calvin as the potential "surprise team" in that section of the bracket in his pre-Tournament writeup on the main page.

Calvin didn't look good on paper to the committees but they were #12 in the D3hoops.com poll heading into the tournament.

What hurts Calvin in their SOS.  Someone hit on the subject in an earlier post.  Too many non-D3 non-conference games.  I respect why Calvin plays those games; but, if Calvin wants better positioning I think it needs to add a least 2 more D3 non-conference games and not necessarily against ranked teams just not cup cakes.

The non-D3 games don't hurt the SOS. What hurts the SOS is the non-con games against Finlandia and Manchester (and Anderson, but they've traditionally been solid).

You simply can't play D3 teams (especially in a down conference) that you know are going to be terrible.

[HOPEful]

I think Calvin can do rather well in their pod.  Kruis will need to have two good games though.
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Kruis or Brink. I've seen lesser Calvin teams suddenly catch fire. I wouldn't be shocked if Kruis, Brink, DeVries, and Dykstra turned a few heads down in St. Louis. I also wouldn't be shocked if they lost decisively to Wittenberg. When they play well, like against Wheaton and Hope (try #3), they are a very good team. At other times they look lathargic and lost.

Hope on the other hand needs to refind their offense. Dump it inside to NVA every time down the court, regardless of how many defenders are in the paint or how the game is being called, is NOT a winning game plan. NVA is a lot more impossing when they run the offense through the guards and spread defenses out. This also means, however, the Eidson, Gardner, and Stuive need to hit their jumpshots. They should beat PS-Behrend easily and Wheaton should be a good game. Or they play like they did the last couple games, sneak by PSB, and get smoked by the Thunder...

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Tyler Dykstra over Mickey DeVries.  Haven't looked at the numbers, at the midway point I thought DeVries had the edge.

My immediate thought as well, so I went and looked.  Those two are pretty close:

Item ---   TD ---   MD
FG% --- .506 --- .507
FT% --- .825 --- .721
Reb/G --- 5.1 --- 6.8
Pts/G  --- 8.9 --- 8.0
Ast   ---   22  ---  15
TO    ---  16  ---   18
Stl  ---      9  ---   13
Blks ---    28  ---  11

[DBQ1965]

Any perspective on how many tickets for the first round at Hope will be a available for the general public tomorrow? 

Also, how does reserved seating compare with general grandstand?

Thanks ...

[HOPEful]

Any perspective on how many tickets for the first round at Hope will be a available for the general public tomorrow? 

Also, how does reserved seating compare with general grandstand?

Thanks ...

Hope has to give 500 each to the other schools (1500 total)... GA seats are bleachers and closest to the floor. If you don't get there early enough, they will be behind one of the baskets. Reserved seating wraps around the arena in a horseshoe, with plastic seats in front of cushioned seat. I'm biased, but DeVos is my favorite D3 venue, and is actually better than many D1 and D2 venues I've been to.

[HOPEful]

Any perspective on how many tickets for the first round at Hope will be a available for the general public tomorrow? 

Also, how does reserved seating compare with general grandstand?

Thanks ...

The building seats 3300ish I believe, so that leaves 1800 for Hope fans. Season ticket holders got first crack at them today at 1 and I was told the line was pretty long. My guess is that there won't be a ton left for tomorrow. However, in years past, I know the other schools are asked to send back any unused tickets. Wheaton will most likely use all of theirs but I'm guessing Penn State Behrend and Rose Hulman won't use all 500...

I'm also guessing many Hope fans won't show up until the first game has started, so if you go to the first game, you'll probably get pretty good GA seats... (this is a guess though, don't hold me to this)

[sac]

All 3 visiting schools will return tickets, even Wheaton.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

And in the past, I believe the split was 2/3 Home team, 1/6 each for the 3 visiting teams.  Either way, there is no way they each consume all their tickets based on their home attendance figures for the year:

PSU-Behrend - 354
Rose0Hulman - 459
Wheaton - 888