FB: Empire 8

[JQV]

so that's what it comes down to-----Robinson not picking IC huh.....

Now i get it!!!

Unfortunately for the Bombers, the story ER told a few years ago made it sound like it was the other way around.  As I remember it, they sent us a tape and got no response.  So they made an impromptu visit and couldn't get a sitdown with the coaches.  Er, correct me if I am remembering any of that incorrectly.

[fisheralum91]

Ouch IC guys - that one has to sting....

[JQV]

Ouch IC guys - that one has to sting....

In all honesty, Robinson is great and obviously would have been an asset but, we haven't lost any games in the last four years because of our play in the backfield. 

[fisheralum91]

indeed....

[JQV]

Besides it probably worked out for the best for everyone.  Robinson has probably benefited from the system at Fisher, that made an average back look amazing before Robinson was there, while the system was benefiting from his skills.  He probably wouldn't be the player that he is had he come to IC because he would have been with Felicetti for three years and we throw the ball a lot.  Who knows how good he would be if he had 80-100 carries in a season instead of 180-200 carries.

[fisheralum91]

20/20 hindsight.

It all worked out for the best!

Heck- then I would have never met ER!
That would have been a shame!
Glad he came to Fisher!

[JT]

JT,

I agree...everyone checks it out.  I'm just saying that you have to keep your focus and if coaches need bulletin board material from D3.com to get their kids fired up their probably have other issues.

Coaches do use it.  Off the top of my head... I can think of four that have mentioned something to me about a front page story or post pattern subject that the coach used on the players.  Basic psychology, even if the PP source is less than credible.  I would think a player would want to prove any critic wrong and supporter right.

It won't take the place of preparation, talent, etc. but it can help.  The SJF DT said he had his best game of the season after reading some negative things on post patterns.

[realistic]

JT,

I agree...everyone checks it out.  I'm just saying that you have to keep your focus and if coaches need bulletin board material from D3.com to get their kids fired up their probably have other issues.

Coaches do use it.  Off the top of my head... I can think of four that have mentioned something to me about a front page story or post pattern subject that the coach used on the players.  Basic psychology, even if the PP source is less than credible.  I would think a player would want to prove any critic wrong and supporter right.

It won't take the place of preparation, talent, etc. but it can help.  The SJF DT said he had his best game of the season after reading some negative things on post patterns.

coaches absolutly use it.

But there is a big difference between coaches using it as a resource and using the front page stories and players and/or coaches reading PP.

[JQV]

Thanks to whomever keeps giving me secret +k.

I have said it before and I will say it again.

Secret +k wayyyyyyyyy better than secret smiting.

[chris7sarge]

Wow, the boards have been full of action.  Love to see it.
Also gotta love to see that the Fisher/Norwich game of years back still raises the hairs on so many different levels.  Talk about sore spot!  I love it.

Now to get into the whole coverage issue with Garcon.  There was talk of putting Stepnick on him in single coverage.  As a former wide receiver I can tell you this, you cannot play man with no help on anyone that is remotely decent (Garcon is more than decent).  Unless you are Deion Sanders, you cant stay with them.  Any RUNNING BACK can get open 85% of the time versus a corner if it is a 1 on 1 drill.

As for the help over the top with a safety...ya thats what most defenses are at all times.  He seems to be doing alright against them.  Thats not double coverage, its zone.  It is not conceptually sound to double cover anyone and still be able to account for every other potential receiver (including backs and te's) and have a hint of run support (unless we're talking 3rd and 25).  There just isnt a defense out there that uses 12 men.  

For example, picture in your head Stepnick covering Garcon with another man doubling him.  Are you then expecting a backer to be able to run with  a WR on a go route?  There will always be a zone left open or a mismatch able to be exploited.
Now you can cheat with the safety over the top, but i'm guessing the starting wr's on Mount are all adequate.  This means that flooding any zone with a multitude of receivers causes big problems if they are any good.

I'm not saying that Garcon is a god.  Not by any means.  However, the logic that some are using on this forum, sounds like something that wouldnt work on Madden.

[JQV]

Wow, the boards have been full of action.  Love to see it.
Also gotta love to see that the Fisher/Norwich game of years back still raises the hairs on so many different levels.  Talk about sore spot!  I love it.

Now to get into the whole coverage issue with Garcon.  There was talk of putting Stepnick on him in single coverage.  As a former wide receiver I can tell you this, you cannot play man with no help on anyone that is remotely decent (Garcon is more than decent).  Unless you are Deion Sanders, you cant stay with them.  Any RUNNING BACK can get open 85% of the time versus a corner if it is a 1 on 1 drill.

As for the help over the top with a safety...ya thats what most defenses are at all times.  He seems to be doing alright against them.  Thats not double coverage, its zone.  It is not conceptually sound to double cover anyone and still be able to account for every other potential receiver (including backs and te's) and have a hint of run support (unless we're talking 3rd and 25).  There just isnt a defense out there that uses 12 men.  

For example, picture in your head Stepnick covering Garcon with another man doubling him.  Are you then expecting a backer to be able to run with  a WR on a go route?  There will always be a zone left open or a mismatch able to be exploited.
Now you can cheat with the safety over the top, but i'm guessing the starting wr's on Mount are all adequate.  This means that flooding any zone with a multitude of receivers causes big problems if they are any good.

I'm not saying that Garcon is a god.  Not by any means.  However, the logic that some are using on this forum, sounds like something that wouldnt work on Madden.

You know what I never understood about that Fisher-Norwich game?  How is the whole loss pinned on Garcon?  I mean yeah, the guy is great, but how many other games did Norwich win that year?  IC drummed Norwich.  I am sure Garcon was good against us but, the rest of the players were still terrible.  (ATTENTION CROTCHETY OLD NORWICH EMPLOYEES I AM SURE THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE I AM JUST SAYING THEY WERE BAD FOOTBALL PLAYERS. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM COMMENT).

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Nice post chris7sarge.

[Pat Coleman]

It is www.d3football.com not www.d3.com, right Pat?

Yes. Why the newspaper columnist referred to D3.com instead of D3football.com is beyond me.

[JQV]

It is www.d3football.com not www.d3.com, right Pat?

Yes. Why the newspaper columnist referred to D3.com instead of D3football.com is beyond me.

Probably forgot to check the FAQs before writing the story...

[realistic]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

thats awesome.... +K