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[fisheralum91]

i was talking about overall d3 players taken in the draft not including the supplemental.
sheesh

[BoSox0322]

For some reason Boltus always seems to get the shaft on a national level....how was he not an all-american last year or a pre-season all american this year??? hello??  Everyone is drinking the Mount Union kool aid.....

And as far as him loosing the Springfield game single handedly....that person must not have been at the game.  1 pick at the end of the game in a desperate situation does not constitute losing a game....he single handedly kept them in games for the past few years!!

It was a horrible write up for him and it will be a shame if he does not win this award.

You guys really need to get a clue. .

When you have guys like Micheli or Kimic who - rack up stats against real opponents, who win all the time, have won their conference, made it to the SB, and looking like on their way to another, you just can't put a player who couldn't lead his team to similar heights at the same level. . .

I think MUC played two teams in the regular season with winning records and that inlcuded Fisher... Dont worry I know MUC is much better... I'm just sayin.

[BoSox0322]

Are you  like the worst and most bitter person in the world? Really? 

No... he's just bored and has a terrible sense of humor and wit

[fisheralum91]

sox- i think pg had it pretty well pegged 

['gro]

From what I have been told the Colts were at Hartwick 4 times this year, the Bills, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bears and 49ers were all there twice...all other teams were there once.  I would say considering that the Colts came on 4 seperate occassions that they are most likely going to draft him in the later rounds.  However, we can all sit here and debate this until April no one truly knows until the time comes. 

Just because they scouted him doesn't mean they are going to use one of their 7 picks on him.  At best, I see someone offering him an invite to Rookie Camp just to see what he has.  I really doubt we'll ever see Boltus in a NFL uniform.

I agree with JQV. QB is the hardest position in the NFL to get a shot, and even the "experts" can't get it right (see every 1st-3rd round QB to wash out of the NFL or the flip side every tom brady, tony romo, etc), things are going to be uphill steeper than Hartwicks campus for Boltus. On top of all that, there's no more NFL Europe, and training camp rosters were reduced last year from 85 to 80 players I believe.  Having an initial shot in the NFL beyond some mini camps is going to be tough. GM's don't want to draft players that aren't locks for the 53 man roster. Andre Woodson (Kentucky) was all world in college and is now on the Giants practice squad.

Not saying boltus can't make it there eventually, but being drafted seems unlikely.

Mini Camps --> possible training camp invite ---> Arena Leage

rinse repeat

[John McGraw]

Hello to all i am new the post board and would like to say that this was another great year in the E8 it was exciting to watch and wait until that last two weeks to see who was going to win the conference. 

to move on i am responding to the previos post about boltus in the nfl.  as you can all tell i am a wick fan.  i have watched boltus over that past 4 years and have seen what this kid can do.  i know there is alot of talk about him being drafted in the nfl this year.  after attending most of the games this year i have to say that i saw more than my fair share of nfl scouts coming to watch him play.  teams such as the vikings, 49ers and so on.  being a football fan of all levels i would have to say that boltus is by far the best D3 quarterback ive ever seen.  the kid has all the tools of a great athlete, size, speed, strength.  I know there has been alot of talk about him playing in the nfl as a quarterback.  i have even heard that some of the scouts have told him that his arm strenght is better than a few starting nfl quarterbacks, but that being said i am not yet sold on him playing quarterback in the nfl.  with the huge difference in game speed and talent i am not sure if he can play at that calliber.  To say that hartwick would have been the same team that past two years without boltus is a far fetch.  His abilities to move the ball up and down the field have been obviose and some of those who say that he is not a pocket passer but in the brockerport game i recall seeing him sit in the pocket and through a 40yrd rope for a td while being hit. But to move on i am still not sold boltus playing quarterback in the nfl.  However i could see him playing another position.  He more than has the athletic abilitiy to maybe play saftety or special teams.  I know everybody is debating whether he could start in the nfl or play quarterback but that is yet to be determined.  Now if boltus were to be drafted which i would say is possible not im not yet sold that it will happen i could see him maybe being signed as a FA either as a quarterback but also the possiblity of being signed/or drafted as a athlete, and then being put in any position on the field

Uhh, we can see your e-mail address, it's displayed on your profile.

[BoSox0322]

sox- i think pg had it pretty well pegged 

just pouring a little gasoline...

[BoSox0322]

Hello to all i am new the post board and would like to say that this was another great year in the E8 it was exciting to watch and wait until that last two weeks to see who was going to win the conference. 

to move on i am responding to the previos post about boltus in the nfl.  as you can all tell i am a wick fan.  i have watched boltus over that past 4 years and have seen what this kid can do.  i know there is alot of talk about him being drafted in the nfl this year.  after attending most of the games this year i have to say that i saw more than my fair share of nfl scouts coming to watch him play.  teams such as the vikings, 49ers and so on.  being a football fan of all levels i would have to say that boltus is by far the best D3 quarterback ive ever seen.  the kid has all the tools of a great athlete, size, speed, strength.  I know there has been alot of talk about him playing in the nfl as a quarterback.  i have even heard that some of the scouts have told him that his arm strenght is better than a few starting nfl quarterbacks, but that being said i am not yet sold on him playing quarterback in the nfl.  with the huge difference in game speed and talent i am not sure if he can play at that calliber.  To say that hartwick would have been the same team that past two years without boltus is a far fetch.  His abilities to move the ball up and down the field have been obviose and some of those who say that he is not a pocket passer but in the brockerport game i recall seeing him sit in the pocket and through a 40yrd rope for a td while being hit. But to move on i am still not sold boltus playing quarterback in the nfl.  However i could see him playing another position.  He more than has the athletic abilitiy to maybe play saftety or special teams.  I know everybody is debating whether he could start in the nfl or play quarterback but that is yet to be determined.  Now if boltus were to be drafted which i would say is possible not im not yet sold that it will happen i could see him maybe being signed as a FA either as a quarterback but also the possiblity of being signed/or drafted as a athlete, and then being put in any position on the field

Uhh, we can see your e-mail address, it's displayed on your profile.

thats a booby trap...

[fisheralum91]

hey- who let that booby out of the trap.
damn.....those things are hard enough to catch.

[AlfredSaxon8]

I think at this point we may just need to see what happens with Boltus. I think he will get an invite to the combine this spring.  Garcon may have opened the light on the hidden talent in D3.  There is no questioning his ability and I dont know if a team will risk a valuable draft pick on him but I have seen stranger things on draft day (Maurice Clarett third round?!?)  But either way, I wish him all the best. He is by far the most talented QB I have seen play first hand. Although Im sure it is different standing on the field watching him make the throws as opposed to watching from a distance or on the TV. I still think he has all the attributes to play in the NFL but that does not necessarily mean he will have the chance.     

[AlfredSaxon8]

hmmm- pg- i smell a current player.

hmm

anyway-getting drafted is truly a longshot for boltus.
does he have skills- nobody has doubted that.

but could someone tell me the last time a d3 quarterbac was taken in the draft and if so how long did he last?

the odds are just too great.

supplemental draft doesnt count boys

I dont believe there has ever been a D3 quarterback taken in the actual draft.  There have been a small number of sucessful ones that have made it to the big stage such as O'Brien with the Bengals.  However, this does raise the question of Josh Brehm from Alma two years ago.  Gagliardi trophy winner that has stats very similar to Boltus, running and throwing.  He did not get a shot and jumped ship to Germany to play.  Very talented, Benched 225 14 times, 4.9 40 time- Doesnt match up to Boltus. So could Boltus' 400lb bench and 4.7 40 earn him a shot on his pro day?

[Jonny Utah]

hmmm- pg- i smell a current player.

hmm

anyway-getting drafted is truly a longshot for boltus.
does he have skills- nobody has doubted that.

but could someone tell me the last time a d3 quarterbac was taken in the draft and if so how long did he last?

the odds are just too great.

supplemental draft doesnt count boys

I dont believe there has ever been a D3 quarterback taken in the actual draft.  There have been a small number of sucessful ones that have made it to the big stage such as O'Brien with the Bengals.  However, this does raise the question of Josh Brehm from Alma two years ago.  Gagliardi trophy winner that has stats very similar to Boltus, running and throwing.  He did not get a shot and jumped ship to Germany to play.  Very talented, Benched 225 14 times, 4.9 40 time- Doesnt match up to Boltus. So could Boltus' 400lb bench and 4.7 40 earn him a shot on his pro day?

I don't think his bench/40 time means anything for him in terms of playing QB in the NFL. Its whether or not he can throw a 25 yard out after looking off other routes.

Remember the guy from VA Tech, Drunkenmiller?  He had impressive numbers but stunk it up in the NFL.

[Senor RedTackle]

RT is happy for Boltus but a tad skeptical on his personal stats relative to bench and 40 time. First of all, most programs don't do 1 rep maxes anymore...usally 85% of max times 6 reps projects out to a one rep max. It's not an exact science and has a margin of errror. RT doesn't buy that a starting college QB would risk injury just to prove a point and throw a 1 rep max up of that weight.

Also, on the 40 time...check out this interview from July...http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/jasonboltusinterview.htm
has he been clocked in the 4.55 range?...let's wait until the combine. RT laughed when he saw his comments..."I would say 4.55"...LOL...how the heck does he deduce that? RT bets he comes in no lower then 4.7 at a combine where they use real equipment to measure 40 times.


That being said, hope he gets a shot....his size/speed are the same as Dan Cole (led RPI to 2003 national semifinals) and they probably have an equivalent arm. Dan had a training camp look w/ the Patriots and has been playing in the Arena league and coaching at RPI

[Senor RedTackle]

hmmm- pg- i smell a current player.

hmm

anyway-getting drafted is truly a longshot for boltus.
does he have skills- nobody has doubted that.

but could someone tell me the last time a d3 quarterbac was taken in the draft and if so how long did he last?

the odds are just too great.

supplemental draft doesnt count boys

I dont believe there has ever been a D3 quarterback taken in the actual draft.  There have been a small number of sucessful ones that have made it to the big stage such as O'Brien with the Bengals.  However, this does raise the question of Josh Brehm from Alma two years ago.  Gagliardi trophy winner that has stats very similar to Boltus, running and throwing.  He did not get a shot and jumped ship to Germany to play.  Very talented, Benched 225 14 times, 4.9 40 time- Doesnt match up to Boltus. So could Boltus' 400lb bench and 4.7 40 earn him a shot on his pro day?

I don't think his bench/40 time means anything for him in terms of playing QB in the NFL. Its whether or not he can throw a 25 yard out after looking off other routes.

Remember the guy from VA Tech, Drunkenmiller?  He had impressive numbers but stunk it up in the NFL.

excellent point...it's 100% about the throws, period, the end.  Look at Matt Leinart. The dude won a Heisman and a Nat'l Championship, got drafted in the 1st round, and now holds a clipboard for Kurt Warner because he just couldn't make the throws required in the NFL. Just because a guy blows up the statistics in D3 doesn't mean he will succeed on Sundays.  Think about some of the QBs who were "can't miss" heading to the NFL...Ryan Leaf, Todd Miranovich, Heath Shuler....wonder what their stats would've been in D3...

[usee]

but could someone tell me the last time a d3 quarterbac was taken in the draft and if so how long did he last?

the odds are just too great.

I dont believe there has ever been a D3 quarterback taken in the actual draft. 

Kenny Anderson was selected 67th overall (3rd round) in the 1971 NFL draft out of D3 Augustana in Rock Island Illinois. He went on to have a pretty good NFL career over 16 seasons including a Super Bowl appearance as QB for the Cincinnati Bengals.  8) He is currently the Pittsburgh Steelers QB coach.