FB: Liberty League

[Upstate]

I agree with Frank...

I think AU will bolt and A-State will replace them in the E-8, basically making it a defacto SUNY league...

I'm not thrilled with that, I love the AU/SJF games. Always competitive and honestly where would we be in the E-8 without AUPepband reminding us about Brenton Brady/Julio Fuentes destroying the playoffs hopes of the 2005 Fisher team!!!

[AUPepBand]

I agree with Frank...

I think AU will bolt and A-State will replace them in the E-8, basically making it a defacto SUNY league...

I'm not thrilled with that, I love the AU/SJF games. Always competitive and honestly where would we be in the E-8 without AUPepband reminding us about Brenton Brady/Julio Fuentes destroying the playoffs hopes of the 2005 Fisher team!!!

Pep....pleased to have purpose on Post Patterns! +K for reminding Pep that he needs to post about Brenton Brady more often! 

To be honest, not sure AU would take the bait if LL threw out a line. And, not sure LL would want AU, anyway. Saxons were left out in the cold when the old Independent College Athletic Conference imploded. Union was the first to leave, seeking membership in the more prestigious NESCAC. In 1995, Hobart, Clarkson and RPI left the then Empire Athletic Association to join Union in forming the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, predecessor of the Liberty League. AU went to the Presidents' Athletic Conference for a couple years before returning to the Empire Athletic Association...since 1999, the Empire 8.

On Saxon Warriors!

[Upstate]

I agree with Frank...

I think AU will bolt and A-State will replace them in the E-8, basically making it a defacto SUNY league...

I'm not thrilled with that, I love the AU/SJF games. Always competitive and honestly where would we be in the E-8 without AUPepband reminding us about Brenton Brady/Julio Fuentes destroying the playoffs hopes of the 2005 Fisher team!!!

Pep....pleased to have purpose on Post Patterns! +K for reminding Pep that he needs to post about Brenton Brady more often! 

To be honest, not sure AU would take the bait if LL threw out a line. And, not sure LL would want AU, anyway. Saxons were left out in the cold when the old Independent College Athletic Conference imploded. Union was the first to leave, seeking membership in the more prestigious NESCAC. In 1995, Hobart, Clarkson and RPI left the then Empire Athletic Association to join Union in forming the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, predecessor of the Liberty League. AU went to the Presidents' Athletic Conference for a couple years before returning to the Empire Athletic Association...since 1999, the Empire 8.

On Saxon Warriors!

Good, hopefully the LL gets desperate and they take Hartwick...

Since 2009, they've had one season where they didn't finish in the bottom two of the conference...

[Frank Rossi]

I agree with Frank...

I think AU will bolt and A-State will replace them in the E-8, basically making it a defacto SUNY league...

I'm not thrilled with that, I love the AU/SJF games. Always competitive and honestly where would we be in the E-8 without AUPepband reminding us about Brenton Brady/Julio Fuentes destroying the playoffs hopes of the 2005 Fisher team!!!

Pep....pleased to have purpose on Post Patterns! +K for reminding Pep that he needs to post about Brenton Brady more often! 

To be honest, not sure AU would take the bait if LL threw out a line. And, not sure LL would want AU, anyway. Saxons were left out in the cold when the old Independent College Athletic Conference imploded. Union was the first to leave, seeking membership in the more prestigious NESCAC. In 1995, Hobart, Clarkson and RPI left the then Empire Athletic Association to join Union in forming the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, predecessor of the Liberty League. AU went to the Presidents' Athletic Conference for a couple years before returning to the Empire Athletic Association...since 1999, the Empire 8.

On Saxon Warriors!

Good, hopefully the LL gets desperate and they take Hartwick...

Since 2009, they've had one season where they didn't finish in the bottom two of the conference...

Jason Boltus does not approve of this message.

[Upstate]

I agree with Frank...

I think AU will bolt and A-State will replace them in the E-8, basically making it a defacto SUNY league...

I'm not thrilled with that, I love the AU/SJF games. Always competitive and honestly where would we be in the E-8 without AUPepband reminding us about Brenton Brady/Julio Fuentes destroying the playoffs hopes of the 2005 Fisher team!!!

Pep....pleased to have purpose on Post Patterns! +K for reminding Pep that he needs to post about Brenton Brady more often! 

To be honest, not sure AU would take the bait if LL threw out a line. And, not sure LL would want AU, anyway. Saxons were left out in the cold when the old Independent College Athletic Conference imploded. Union was the first to leave, seeking membership in the more prestigious NESCAC. In 1995, Hobart, Clarkson and RPI left the then Empire Athletic Association to join Union in forming the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, predecessor of the Liberty League. AU went to the Presidents' Athletic Conference for a couple years before returning to the Empire Athletic Association...since 1999, the Empire 8.

On Saxon Warriors!

Good, hopefully the LL gets desperate and they take Hartwick...

Since 2009, they've had one season where they didn't finish in the bottom two of the conference...

Jason Boltus does not approve of this message.

Even with the Boltus and Pincelli eras that program has averaged 4.7 wins a year since 1999...

Record be damned that coach will throw the ball 45 times a game because obviously it clearly works even without amazing QBs throwing the ball...

[UfanBill]

Hartwick makes sense for the LL but playing in that cage The only good thing about a trip to Oneonta is the obligatory post game dinner stop at Brooks BBQ.

[ITH radio]

Hartwick is a no-go given some LL AD's dislike of them for whatever reason. I actually agree with Frank for a change  that Alfred would make the most sense from a geography / profile standpoint.

It'd love to see a TBT type game like the one's I watched with the Statesmen Classes of 1970-4 a couple years back that had Hobart in all orange and the Saxons in all purple uniforms. Quite a sight.

[AUPepBand]

Hartwick is a no-go given some LL AD's dislike of them for whatever reason. I actually agree with Frank for a change  that Alfred would make the most sense from a geography / profile standpoint.

It'd love to see a TBT type game like the one's I watched with the Statesmen Classes of 1970-4 a couple years back that had Hobart in all orange and the Saxons in all purple uniforms. Quite a sight.

Pep is thinking they did that to avoid repeat of a 1960s game where one team had purple pants and gold jerseys and the other had gold (burnt orange) pants and purple jerseys. Yikes! At the end of a gang tackle, it was tough for a mother to sort through the laundry to find her boy. Don't remember whether both teams had same color helmets (either purple or white).

Those solid orange uni's were bone ugly. AU tried purple pants and purple jerseys once when Murray was first at AU, perhaps around 2000. They couldn't clean the vomit off the wooden bleachers so they had to replace them!

Rekindling the Hobart-Alfred football series would definitely be a plus. They go waaaaaaaaaaay back! Many "classics" from that long series... "Super Bowl East" in 1972 when AU (4-0) was riding a 14-game win streak and Hobart started off 5-0, riding the coattails of "Mr. A to Z."

Good memories!

[ITH radio]

According to the HFB media guide, the Saxons/Statesmen series dates back to 1899 and has been very even over the decades.

Hobart has a slight edge given recent years, but the overall record is a close 39-35-4. APF 16.5 APA 15.2 also shows how competitive this rivalry has been.

[dlippiel]

I agree with Frank...

I think AU will bolt and A-State will replace them in the E-8, basically making it a defacto SUNY league...

I'm not thrilled with that, I love the AU/SJF games. Always competitive and honestly where would we be in the E-8 without AUPepband reminding us about Brenton Brady/Julio Fuentes destroying the playoffs hopes of the 2005 Fisher team!!!

Pep....pleased to have purpose on Post Patterns! +K for reminding Pep that he needs to post about Brenton Brady more often! 

To be honest, not sure AU would take the bait if LL threw out a line. And, not sure LL would want AU, anyway. Saxons were left out in the cold when the old Independent College Athletic Conference imploded. Union was the first to leave, seeking membership in the more prestigious NESCAC. In 1995, Hobart, Clarkson and RPI left the then Empire Athletic Association to join Union in forming the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, predecessor of the Liberty League. AU went to the Presidents' Athletic Conference for a couple years before returning to the Empire Athletic Association...since 1999, the Empire 8.

On Saxon Warriors!

Good, hopefully the LL gets desperate and they take Hartwick...

Since 2009, they've had one season where they didn't finish in the bottom two of the conference...

**** No!!!!

[Bartman]

Hartwick is a no-go given some LL AD's dislike of them for whatever reason. I actually agree with Frank for a change  that Alfred would make the most sense from a geography / profile standpoint.

It'd love to see a TBT type game like the one's I watched with the Statesmen Classes of 1970-4 a couple years back that had Hobart in all orange and the Saxons in all purple uniforms. Quite a sight.

I was there for the "all orange" it was so bad, we looked like human hi-lighters...the year before we looked like classic Chicago Bear wanna bees with deep deep purple(almost navy blue) with the stripes on the sleeves...classic...but in 1970 we went 0-8 ,  by pretty close scores. The JV's were .500, so there was hope. Once clad in pumpkin colors starting in 1971 the results improved under Coach Davis....... those Alfred games were intense...heck, for football purposes I would love to have Alfred in the LL or as a preferred OOC game...what Alfred may have lacked in skill they made up for in hitting....The current Saxons look pretty similar

[AUPepBand]

Hartwick is a no-go given some LL AD's dislike of them for whatever reason. I actually agree with Frank for a change  that Alfred would make the most sense from a geography / profile standpoint.

It'd love to see a TBT type game like the one's I watched with the Statesmen Classes of 1970-4 a couple years back that had Hobart in all orange and the Saxons in all purple uniforms. Quite a sight.

I was there for the "all orange" it was so bad, we looked like human hi-lighters...the year before we looked like classic Chicago Bear wanna bees with deep deep purple(almost navy blue) with the stripes on the sleeves...classic...but in 1970 we went 0-8 ,  by pretty close scores. The JV's were .500, so there was hope. Once clad in pumpkin colors starting in 1971 the results improved under Coach Davis....... those Alfred games were intense...heck, for football purposes I would love to have Alfred in the LL or as a preferred OOC game...what Alfred may have lacked in skill they made up for in hitting....The current Saxons look pretty similar

Yeah, Yunie's boys liked to hit because they played with a lot of heart. Davis definitely turned Hobart's fortunes around after a decade of mediocrity. Between Kowalski and Alexsonofabichz, the Statesmen were scary. Pep remembers the 1970 game when Hobart was winless. AU pinned the Statesmen back near the goal line and Pep was looking for a safety with the Saxons sending the house....and A to Z breaks through the line and goes 95+ yards for a TD. AU held on to win, 31-22, but it wasn't easy.

Probably the closest thing to a rival for AU would be Hobart. There were a few pumpkins smashed in Mayberry over the years.

[ITH radio]

Speaking of rivals, Statesmen and Dutchmen line up for the 100th time this Saturday. Union leads the all-time series 50-47-2.

[Bartman]

OK , league now must feed on itself after a nice 16-7 run out of the neighborhood.

      Hobart 38......Union 17.......still waiting for someone other than the weather to stop Sweeney
      SLU     28      RPI     17...... There will be a late score by the Larries after RPI cracks in for 2 TDs
      WPI     42      Sp 'field 21. ..WPI starts to believe they can win the league
      UofR    17      MM     14....... In doubt until the end

As far as the Dutchmen v. Hobart there is no love loss between these 2 teams over the years and other than wishing Dlip good fortune personally , Bartman will NOT feel any concern if the Statesmen pound on the Dutchmen unmercifully...... but will be very concerned if the Statesman are not disciplined and look beyond the Dutchmen...we do not want to make the Dutchman's year and a few turnovers could do so or have a gamefart like we had against Springfield last year... let the Larries make their year as I have predicted

[ITH radio]

Predictions per Hansen's ratings:

Springfield 24 WPI 23 with Pride having a 54% chance of winning
SLU 26 RPI 8 with Saints having an 88% chance of winning
UofR 30 USMMA 27 with Bees having a 58% chance of winning
Hobart 40 Union 12 with Bart having a 96% chance of winning