BB: General NY Region Talk

[BaseB13]

I think a lot of it will depend on how people perform in their conference tournaments and ECAC's.  Who is elibigle for ECAC's?  I know all E8 teams are eligible but I believe if a team plays in a conference tournament then to play in ECAC's they can't have played over 40 games?  Is this correct?  If that's the case then it appears Brockport would not be eligible.  If RPI atleast makes it to the conference tournament finals then I have to think they will be the at large team if they don't win the LL given that they have won 30 games and based on their reputation.  Not sure SJFC deserves an at large after losing all four to RIT.  Can't see RIT getting one either.  I could see Brockport maybe but those losses to Fredonia hurts and their record is not that great.  I think a 6 team regional will be most likely.  If not I'd guess RPI or UR will be the one to receive an at large even though they both have some key losses assuming they make it to the finals.  Should be interesting.  The LL in general is a little goofy with the whole winning percentage thing.  9 - 11 Clarkson qualifies over 12 - 12 Skidmore.

[John McGraw]

Jeez, I go away to Cape Cod for the weekend and an actual discussion breaks out. Regardless, here's what I'm thinking right now for the Auburn, N.Y., regional after this weekend's action.

1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty League)
4. St. John Fisher (Pool B)
5. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)
6. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)

Cortland, Farmingdale and Keystone have clinched automatic bids by winning their respective conference tournaments.

I've changed my mind in the Liberty League and I see RPI advancing from the conference tournament. I think Rochester is on the fence now and could still get into the tournament with a Pool C if no one from out of the region is shipped in.

Side note from previous posts that I missed - ECSU, 2006, the team struggled all year and by all accounts heading into the conference tournament, they wouldn't be going to the NCAAs. All the sudden, the team got hot, won the league tournament and was shipped to Auburn where they had another successful run. I have no problem with Trinity (Conn.) making the field last year either - they proved that they belonged with a couple of wins and a strong performance overall before running out of gas against Cortland in the elimination round.

[Ralph Turner]

Pool C is tightening.

Wooster lost and so did Texas-Tyler.

George Fox was at the top of the West Region bracket last week at #2.

I am thinking that the New York Region might get one Pool C bid, if the team is ranked in the Top 3 (in-region) next Thursday.

[scuba16]

I would say SJF is out with 23 only wins, but there are 2 ways to think about this.
With a 6 team regional with 1 Out of Region participant and I think the NY region will look like this:

1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty League)
4. Out of Region/NE (Pool C)
5. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)
6. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)

With a 8 team regional with 2 Out of Region participants I think the NY region will look like this:

1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty League)
4. Out of Region 1/NE (Pool C)
5. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)
6. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)
7. Out of Region 2/NE (Pool C)
8. SJF / U of R / St. Joes LI / Brockport(Pool B)

[Big Louie]

Scuba looks good....Brockport is not a Pool B team however and i think there more likely to send a few New England Pool A's before they send a Pool C to the NY Regional

Scuba keep in mind that In-region Records are the deciding factor in who gets a bid....SJF has 23 wins but almost all of them are In-region wins

[shoeless]

Team Defense in playoffs is 100X more important than regualar season

What gives heightened importance to strength in the middle during postseason is the paring down of pitching staffs to  team's  top starters. With teams not having the opportunity to face their opponents' fourth and fifth starters, runs will be harder to come by, defense will be emphasized.  Now is the time to put your best defense on the field.

Here are stats for Liberty league middle infielders and league rank.  Was hard to tell who unions regulars were.  but for argument sake.


Castilla (Vassar) - 16
Glantz (Vassar) – 8
Brown (Union) - 15
Carroll (Union) -  7
Kahovec (Roch) – 16
Stein (Roch) –  15
Muscateillo (RPI) -14
Stroud (RPI)  - 10
Currty (Clarkson) –  11
Bresset (Clarkson) -  9
Brown (skidmore) –  6
Ferri (Skidmore) – 12
Ford (St Law) - 14
Harris (St Law) – 10

Team Rankings worst to first up the middle:
1. Rochester with 31 Errors
2 Vassar with 24 Errors
2. St Lawrence with 24 Errors
2 RPI with 24 errors
5 Uniont with 22 Errors
7 CLarksonw ith 20 Errors
8. Skidmore with 18 Errors

So in a tight it could bee Clarkson or RPI in the liberty league tournament.  Rochester will only win slugfests.

[AlleyCat]

Heres my take on possible NY regionals

8 Team
1. Cortland
2. Rochester or RPI (LL tourney Champs) Ithaca
3. Ithaca 
4. Rochester or RPI  (C)
5. Out of Region - NE or Mid Atlantic
6. Keystone
7. Out of Region - NE or Mid Atlantic
8. Farmingdale St


6 Team
1. Cortland
2. RPI or Ithaca if RPI wins LL Tourney
3. Ithaca or Rochester if Rochester wins LL tourney
4. RPI if they lose LL tourney
5. Keystone
6. Farmingdale St

[John McGraw]

Penn State-Behrend out of the Allegany Mountain Collegiate Conference could be an out-of-region team should eight teams advance to Auburn.

The Lions are the top seed in the upcoming AMCC tournament and they're not located too far away from Auburn.

[John McGraw]

1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty League)
4. St. John Fisher (Pool B)
5. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)
6. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)

I guess I was tired last night and didn't realize that RIT swept all four games with St. John Fisher. That I think knocks them out of Pool B contention. Ithaca appears to be struggling as of late as well so that also hurts Fisher. Here's another stab at a bracket:

1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty)
4. Amherst (Pool C, NESCAC)
5. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)
6. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)
-or-
1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty)
4. Amherst (Pool C, NESCAC)
5. Another out of region team
6. Penn State-Behrend (Pool A, AMCC)
7. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)
8. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)

[scuba16]

1. Cortland (Pool A, SUNYAC)
2. Ithaca (Pool B)
3. RPI (Pool A, Liberty)
4. Amherst (Pool C, NESCAC)
5. Another out of region team
6. Penn State-Behrend (Pool A, AMCC)
7. Keystone (Pool A, NEAC)
8. Farmingdale State (Pool A, Skyline)

Wow John, are 3 out of region teams a real possibilty if Auburn ends up being a 8 teamer?
Seems like alot of Out of Region teams but no one other than the pool A's and the obvious in NY have really stepped their game up!

If Amherst goes to Auburn it will be nice to see their Head Coach Bill Thurston. He is one of the premier pitching coaches in the country. About 20 years ago, when coach thurston was a tad younger, proably 50 (if thats young for a pitcher)or so, he could still throw 82-83. Amazing!

[John McGraw]

It could be a possibility. I'd like to think not but Rochester, St. John Fisher and Brockport haven't done a lot to distinguish themselves from the national pack. Brockport made the SUNYAC finals but they had to take the long road to get there and then didn't take Cortland to a winner-take-all. Rochester had a chance to but then dropped a pair to Fisher who then lost all four of its games with Rochester Tech.

The national Pool C picture being what it is, Rochester's going to have a hard time getting an at-large if they don't win their tournament. If I had to pick, I'd say RPI will win the Liberty League. Not that UofR isn't a good team, but I'm going with RPI. Can RPI get a Pool C if they don't win? Who knows, but like I've said, it's a possibility.

If someone other than Trinity wins the NESCAC, or there's an upset in New England, we may be looking at an eight-team bracket. I wouldn't mind seeing Amherst either, but we'll have to wait and see.

[Bob Maxwell]

I was going to ask you what made SJF so attractive and deserving of a bid... but you saw it yourself.    Agree with you on Rochester if they don't win the Liberty League tournament (as well as any other NY team).  But I still think that a few of the teams from NY would be just as representative as any of the out of state teams.   We will see what happens... I don't understand the "grass is greener" thinking that teams from other regions are better then our own teams.  but everyone is entitled to their opinions.

I think Rochester will win the Liberty...  which would put RPI on that bubble too...

[John McGraw]

It's not that the team's coming in from out of the region are better than Brockport, Rochester, RPI, etc etc. Well, with Amherst that would be the case since they would come to Auburn as a Pool C selection. It would be that other Pool C teams around the country would gain entry into their regionals pushing some of the lower seeded Pool A teams - like PS-Behrend out of their regional. That could be a strong possibility in the Mid-Atlantic with so many quality teams.

Over the last few years, Westfield and Endicott are prime examples. They were teams that were low seeds in their own region that were shipped into New York because either a stronger Pool C team made the field or said Pool C team was closer to the regional site.

Rochester or RPI could still very well gain that extra spot in my hypothetical eight-team regional.

[scuba16]

Exactly how many Pool A, B, C bids are out there? Total NCAA bids are 54 this year correct?

[Big Louie]

There are 34 Pool A's, 6 Pool B's, and 14 Pool C's for a total of 54