2014 West Regional - McMinnville, OR

[tigerfan_2001]

PAC Lu was 4th in last weeks regional ranking and GF wasn't ranked. Why do you think GF jumps back in when plu took 2 of 3 from GF in conference play.

IMO, the quality of wins is the difference. PLU went 0-4 against Linfield and lost a single game to Cal Lu. Fox went 2-3 against Linfield and with the respect that Linfield has been receiving all season, those 2 wins are going to carry a lot of weight. Aside from this, their resumes are pretty similar (It's unfortunate for PLU since they took the season series against Fox).

i guess I would count head to head more than common opponents. Should be an interesting Sunday night.

[tigerfan_2001]

Never mind. I didn't realize the new regional rankings
Came out and that was what Jack was referring to.

[CrashDavisD3]

GF wins over Linfield will be the difference that gets them into the regional.

If McMinnville stays dry it is a great baseball venue. I enjoyed the weather in 2009 and hated it  in 2010. Linfield does a great job as a host and back in 2009 the Linfield students were backing Chapman every game. McMinnville is a great town for the regionals. I also enjoyed the beauty of Oregon in my 2 trips. Wineries, the rivers, water falls, covered bridges, small ferries across the river the beauty of the Oregon, Portland, McMinnville area.

The only place that could host in SoCal is Cal Lu but it does not have lights. CTX and when it was in DIII McMurray are als o quality venues for regionals

Chapman home field needs major work. New stands, backstops, etc...but the it is in a city park that is unwilling to let Chapman spend the money to bring this field up to the quality of Linfield, Cal Lu, CTX level venue.

I can not see any movement in the Regional rankings in the West since all games are finished. I don't see Pac Lu getting in and staying home again in disappointment.

An upset in the ASC could get Chapman staying home IMO.

[Strike1]

If Concordia TX doesn't win the ASC but still goes why is it Chapman that would get kicked instead of say Fox? chapman has better numbers don't they?

[Teddy_Ballgame]

If Concordia TX doesn't win the ASC but still goes why is it Chapman that would get kicked instead of say Fox? chapman has better numbers don't they?

Not in the regional rankings, which are the numbers that count right now as both teams are done (GFU is 4th, Chapman is 6th). But another loss on the CTX resume could well drop them below Chapman.

Also- I "get" that Fox going 2-3 against Linfield is more impressive than PLU going 0-4. But like Tigerfan said, how does head to head not mean more???

Hmmm... which of these two teams is better?
-Well they have pretty much the same record... very similar, very good SOS... what else can I look at?
-PLU did finish ahead of Fox in the NWC... but only by one game, let's keep looking.
-Well they both played this one good team a few times, that's something!
-Oh but wait they played an entire schedule's worth of common opponents.. so I guess it doesn't make a ton of sense to compare that way, because they've both beaten teams the other has lost to...
...
...
-IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME WAY THEY COULD PLAY IT OUT ON THE FIELD TO DETERMINE WHO WAS BETTER!! UGH!
-Oh they did? WELL WHO WON?
-Oh PLU took the series? THEN WHY ARE WE EVEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION?!

[Strike1]

I would agree! Beating Linfield on a miserable day without scoring a single earned run sure carries a lot of weight! And to jump from not in to number 4? gotta be the 10 min drive to Linfield! lutes won straight up, very strange!

[tigerfan_2001]

GF wins over Linfield will be the difference that gets them into the regional.

If McMinnville stays dry it is a great baseball venue. I enjoyed the weather in 2009 and hated it  in 2010. Linfield does a great job as a host and back in 2009 the Linfield students were backing Chapman every game. McMinnville is a great town for the regionals. I also enjoyed the beauty of Oregon in my 2 trips. Wineries, the rivers, water falls, covered bridges, small ferries across the river the beauty of the Oregon, Portland, McMinnville area.

The only place that could host in SoCal is Cal Lu but it does not have lights. CTX and when it was in DIII McMurray are als o quality venues for regionals

Chapman home field needs major work. New stands, backstops, etc...but the it is in a city park that is unwilling to let Chapman spend the money to bring this field up to the quality of Linfield, Cal Lu, CTX level venue.

I can not see any movement in the Regional rankings in the West since all games are finished. I don't see Pac Lu getting in and staying home again in disappointment.

An upset in the ASC could get Chapman staying home IMO.

although last year I think TLU jumped in after the games were played and snagged the 6th seed over a fly in team.

[Strike1]

I think it was Pomona last year that popped in and got a spot.

[tigerfan_2001]

I think it was Pomona last year that popped in and got a spot.

right +1

[108 Stitches]

FWIW, P-P was the #4 seed and TLU picked up the #6 seed and there was some discussion that this was because they were local and did not need to be flown in to Austin. (I  believe some of the GF fans thought they were ranked higher)  Since we don't really know the details regarding the selection process we don't really know who was chosen and why the thought process is that if the selection is close the team that does not need to be flown in will get the nod.  Which if true, in theory, GF and PLU have a slight advantage this year.

[wildcat11]

I'd be very unhappy if I was a PLU fan right now.

[Strike1]

I would agree!  Linfields last game with Fox is heavy and again the best defensive team in the country gave up 10 unearned runs! At least according to the stats. Says it was a rain delay with change of venue ect.  Should be Lutes or maybe even another team from the ASC?

[Westside]

I would agree!  Linfields last game with Fox is heavy and again the best defensive team in the country gave up 10 unearned runs! At least according to the stats. Says it was a rain delay with change of venue ect.  Should be Lutes or maybe even another team from the ASC?

Yea that game was bad. I think Linfield commited 4 or 5 errors in the first inning. Fox scored 9(?) runs on 3 or 4 hits hah.

At this point, the last two spots should/will go to: Chapman, George Fox, PLU, Concordia (if they don't win their tournament), or fly in a team.

Best bet it that it will stay is, barring an upset in the ASC.

1. Linfield
2. Cal Lu
3. Trinity
4. George Fox
5. Concordia
6. Chapman

[Jack Parkman]

  Should be Lutes or maybe even another team from the ASC?

I could be way off on all of this but I believe GF has a better winning percentage against regionaly ranked opponents.  Remember, once ranked, always ranked.

PLU- 2 wins 6 losses  .250%
Champan- 2 wins 6 losses .250%
George Fox- 3 wins 5 losses .375%

I honestly see PLU as their own worst enemy.  Their season ended earlier than everyone else and they played a lot of non d3 games (I know, it's tough up there).  Although maybe not the best situation, George Fox playing Linfield at the very end of the year was crucial for them.  It shows how much of a boost that 1 game gave them.

I hate to say it but I really don't think the NWC should get 3 teams in but we all know what happens with the NCAA and the $$$.  It's possible that the west could end up like this: *I'm saying it's possible, not that I think it will end up like this.

1. Linfield
2. Cal Lu
3. Trinity
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. ASC Champ

That eliminates a flight but I really don't know if this would happen.  The only way the ASC could get a 2nd team in is if someone beats Concordia in the title game.  Otherwise, it's a 1 bid league.

[Whatagame]

  Should be Lutes or maybe even another team from the ASC?

I could be way off on all of this but I believe GF has a better winning percentage against regionaly ranked opponents.  Remember, once ranked, always ranked.

PLU- 2 wins 6 losses  .250%
Champan- 2 wins 6 losses .250%
George Fox- 3 wins 5 losses .375%

I honestly see PLU as their own worst enemy.  Their season ended earlier than everyone else and they played a lot of non d3 games (I know, it's tough up there).  Although maybe not the best situation, George Fox playing Linfield at the very end of the year was crucial for them.  It shows how much of a boost that 1 game gave them.

I hate to say it but I really don't think the NWC should get 3 teams in but we all know what happens with the NCAA and the $$$.  It's possible that the west could end up like this: *I'm saying it's possible, not that I think it will end up like this.

1. Linfield
2. Cal Lu
3. Trinity
4. George Fox
5. PLU
6. ASC Champ

That eliminates a flight but I really don't know if this would happen.  The only way the ASC could get a 2nd team in is if someone beats Concordia in the title game.  Otherwise, it's a 1 bid league.

I really cannot see 3 NWC teams in the regional, however, as a preemptive maneuver, Chapman could say "Hey, we'll take a bus to McMinnville," it's only an 18 hour or so drive.............just joking, but hey....