Bumblin' B's

[pabegg]

Re: Fisk, I know that has been claimed but does anyone have evidence? There was no mention of the NAIA on Fisk's site and no mention of Fisk on the NAIA's site that I could find.

The story that I've seen is that they are dropping varsity athletics completely. Link from NCAA

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ralph,

I'd love to see UMPI compete in d3, but it is pretty academic until they can compete, period!

Same for Finlandia - their region has just gotta be changed, but it doesn't matter much for now.   (If they are actually good in some sport I don't follow, my apologies!)

Guess which sport those Finns are good at?

Men's Hockey!   

Overall, pretty respectable, but I see they were 0-2-1 against the WIAC and 0-2 against first-year team Adrian!

[Ralph Turner]

Re: Fisk, I know that has been claimed but does anyone have evidence? There was no mention of the NAIA on Fisk's site and no mention of Fisk on the NAIA's site that I could find.

The story that I've seen is that they are dropping varsity athletics completely. Link from NCAA

Thanks for the input.  My source is Fisk alumnus Wilburt in posts #1513 and #1517.

The NAIA would allow them to compete in the basic sports in an organized fashion.  As cited in the NCAA press release, however you account for $300,000 for a D-III athletic program, that is about $500,000 less than the lowest of most of the D-III's in that part of the South.

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,

I'd love to see UMPI compete in d3, but it is pretty academic until they can compete, period!

Same for Finlandia - their region has just gotta be changed, but it doesn't matter much for now.   (If they are actually good in some sport I don't follow, my apologies!)

Guess which sport those Finns are good at?

Men's Hockey!   

Overall, pretty respectable, but I see they were 0-2-1 against the WIAC and 0-2 against first-year team Adrian!

First-year Adrian dominated the Midwest College Hockey Association in 2007-08! 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ralph,

I'd love to see UMPI compete in d3, but it is pretty academic until they can compete, period!

Same for Finlandia - their region has just gotta be changed, but it doesn't matter much for now.   (If they are actually good in some sport I don't follow, my apologies!)

Guess which sport those Finns are good at?

Men's Hockey!   

Overall, pretty respectable, but I see they were 0-2-1 against the WIAC and 0-2 against first-year team Adrian!

First-year Adrian dominated the Midwest College Hockey Association in 2007-08! 

Yet Adrian did not get an invite to the national tourney.  Obvious conclusion: the MCHA is (or at least is perceived as) incredibly weak.

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,

I'd love to see UMPI compete in d3, but it is pretty academic until they can compete, period!

Same for Finlandia - their region has just gotta be changed, but it doesn't matter much for now.   (If they are actually good in some sport I don't follow, my apologies!)

Guess which sport those Finns are good at?

Men's Hockey!   

Overall, pretty respectable, but I see they were 0-2-1 against the WIAC and 0-2 against first-year team Adrian!

First-year Adrian dominated the Midwest College Hockey Association in 2007-08! 

Yet Adrian did not get an invite to the national tourney.  Obvious conclusion: the MCHA is (or at least is perceived as) incredibly weak.

And, the Midwest College Hockey Association is not a Pool A Conference. See page 9 of the 2008 D3 Hockey Handbook, altho' the MCHA is trying to become an official single sport conference.   See Page 6, Item 11.  They are having trouble getting all of the paperwork to the committee.

[Pat Coleman]

Re: Fisk, I know that has been claimed but does anyone have evidence? There was no mention of the NAIA on Fisk's site and no mention of Fisk on the NAIA's site that I could find.

The story that I've seen is that they are dropping varsity athletics completely. Link from NCAA

Thanks for the input.  My source is Fisk alumnus Wilburt in posts #1513 and #1517.

The NAIA would allow them to compete in the basic sports in an organized fashion.  As cited in the NCAA press release, however you account for $300,000 for a D-III athletic program, that is about $500,000 less than the lowest of most of the D-III's in that part of the South.

Right. I know a poster has claimed that but that doesn't mean it's accurate. Remember said poster also has claimed Fisk would be joining Division II and the SIAC.

[wilburt]

Pat don't start nothing and there won't be anything.  Okay your information may be dated. Fisk officials have recently sent letters to alumni that Fisk will be/is applying to the NAIA (while still leaving the NCAA).  

Pat, since you have an outstanding relationship with the Fisk Athletic Director you can sure call him or email him to confirm same.  You can make it difficult to be civil to you at times Pat.

PS. At the time I made the statement that Fisk would be going to D2 and the SIAC that was correct.  Remember, just because you publicly said Fisk did not maintain a D3 basketball program at one time did not make it accurate.

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks, Wilburt.  Good luck with the process.

[wilburt]

You are welcome Dr. Ralph.  BTW, what's the secret to McMurry's track and field success?

[Ralph Turner]

You are welcome Dr. Ralph.  BTW, what's the secret to McMurry's track and field success?

Coach Barbara Crousen!  She is a wonderful individual, a "classically trained" physical education instructor, and an insightful "grandmother-type" who knows how to get the most out of her student-athletes, during the trying times that young adults face in their college years.  She has a great eye for talent, and can find those athletes who are not ready for D-I or D-II.  Under her tutelage, and the opportunity to compete against the best*, she can bring things out of athletes they did not know they had.

*McMurry goes to Oklahoma and Texas Tech for indoor meets and the Iowa State indoor "last chance" meet.  Outdoors,  they compete in the Texas Relays (when qualified) and in meets at Texas-Arlington, North Texas, Baylor and cross-town Abilene Christian (51-time Men's and Women's Indoor and Outdoor D-II Champions).  Track is historically a very big sport in Texas high schools, so there is much talent to develop.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat don't start nothing and there won't be anything.  Okay your information may be dated. Fisk officials have recently sent letters to alumni that Fisk will be/is applying to the NAIA (while still leaving the NCAA).   

Pat, since you have an outstanding relationship with the Fisk Athletic Director you can sure call him or email him to confirm same.  You can make it difficult to be civil to you at times Pat.

PS. At the time I made the statement that Fisk would be going to D2 and the SIAC that was correct.  Remember, just because you publicly said Fisk did not maintain a D3 basketball program at one time did not make it accurate.

Well, if Fisk or the NAIA confirm it then I'll believe it. Otherwise, it's just your word against their non-word.

[Wydown Blvd.]

If they sent out letters to alumni, then isnt that their word (to some extent)? But, they may not go through with joining the NAIA anyway even if they are exploring it as of now.

Well either way, here is a more in-depth article from Black Collegian:
http://www.black-collegian.com/news/bcwire/fisk_ncaa_0208.htm

[wilburt]

Pat don't start nothing and there won't be anything.  Okay your information may be dated. Fisk officials have recently sent letters to alumni that Fisk will be/is applying to the NAIA (while still leaving the NCAA).   

Pat, since you have an outstanding relationship with the Fisk Athletic Director you can sure call him or email him to confirm same.  You can make it difficult to be civil to you at times Pat.

PS. At the time I made the statement that Fisk would be going to D2 and the SIAC that was correct.  Remember, just because you publicly said Fisk did not maintain a D3 basketball program at one time did not make it accurate.

Well, if Fisk or the NAIA confirm it then I'll believe it. Otherwise, it's just your word against their non-word.

Doubting Thomas.   

[Pat Coleman]

If they sent out letters to alumni, then isnt that their word (to some extent)? But, they may not go through with joining the NAIA anyway even if they are exploring it as of now.

Well either way, here is a more in-depth article from Black Collegian:
http://www.black-collegian.com/news/bcwire/fisk_ncaa_0208.htm

An article which doesn't mention the NAIA.

They may or may not have sent letters to alumni. All we have is Wilburt's word on it.

I'm not doubting Thomas. I'm doubting Fisk.