2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

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Just a question about NCAA policy.  If underclassmen players who were already at the Final Four played in the All-star game, would that violate any rules?  Their season is over - it's not a sanctioned event and they wouldn't have had any extra expenses paid or anything.
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Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 24, 2010, 05:16:29 PM

Just a question about NCAA policy.  If underclassmen players who were already at the Final Four played in the All-star game, would that violate any rules?  Their season is over - it's not a sanctioned event and they wouldn't have had any extra expenses paid or anything.

Players with eligibility left cannot compete in All-Star games (unless they wish to forfeit said eligibility).  That's a blanket rule across every NCAA sport and Division.  I can find you an NCAA rule citation if you'd like.
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#1547
Home teams were 26-10.  

Randolph-Macon never played a home game or an away game.

Williams, Guilford and Point, the other Final Four teams were 11-0 at home.

First round home teams were 11-5



   TEAM      CON      HOME      AWAY      NEUTRAL   
   Medaille      AMCC                   1-1   
   Mary Hardin-Baylor      ASC       0-1               
   Texas-Dallas      ASC       1-0       0-1         
   Wesley      CAC             0-1         
   St. Mary's (Md)      CAC       2-1               
   Gordon      CCC             0-1         
   Illinois Wesleyan      CCIW             1-1       2-0   
   Wheaton      CCIW             1-1         
   Carthage      CCIW       2-0             0-1   
   Frank & Marsh      Centennial             2-0       1-1   
   Cabrini      CSAC                   0-1   
   Brooklyn      CUNYAC             0-1         
   Nazareth      Empire 8                   0-1   
   St. John Fisher      Empire 8       1-1               
   Albertus Magnus      GNAC             1-0       0-1   
   Maryville      GSAC                   0-1   
   Anderson      HCAC             0-1       1-0   
   Defiance      HCAC                   0-1   
   Central      IIAC                   0-1   
   Chapman      IND       1-0       0-1         
   Merchant Marine      LAND       1-1               
   Rhode Island C.      LEC             1-0       1-1   
   St. Lawrence      Liberty                   0-1   
   Albright      MACC       0-1               
   Lycoming      MACC                   0-1   
   DeSales      MACF                   2-1   
   Bridgewater St.      MASCAC       0-1               
   Hope      MIAA                   0-1   
   Carleton      MIAC             0-1         
   St. Thomas      MIAC                   0-1   
   St. Norbert      MWC             0-1       1-0   
   Maine-Farmington      NAC             1-1         
   Aurora      NathCon             0-1          
   Wooster      NCAC       2-0       0-1         
   SUNYIT      NEAC             1-1       1-0   
   Williams      NESCAC       3-0             1-1   
   Middlebury      NESCAC       1-1               
   Clark      NEWMAC             1-0       0-1   
   MIT      NEWMAC                    0-1   
   Richard Stockton      NJAC                   0-1   
   Rutgers-Newark      NJAC                   0-1   
   William Paterson      NJAC       0-1               
   Whitworth      NWC       1-0             0-1   
   John Carroll      OAC             0-1       1-0   
   Wilmington      OAC             0-1       1-0   
   Guilford      ODAC       4-0             0-1   
   Eastern Menn.      ODAC       2-0       0-1       1-0   
   Randolph-Macon      ODAC                    4-1   
   Virginia Wesleyan      ODAC             0-1       1-0   
   Grove City      PrAC             0-1         
   Centre      SCAC             0-1         
   CMS      SCIAC             0-1         
   SUNY-Purchase      SKY             0-1         
   Westminster      SLIAC             0-1         
   Oneonta State      SUNYAC                   0-1   
   Plattsburgh St.      SUNYAC       0-1               
   Brandeis      UAA             1-1       2-0   
   Washington U.      UAA       1-1               
   Chris. Newport      USAC             0-1         
   UW-Stevens Point      WIAC       4-0             2-0   
   UW-Whitewater      WIAC             0-1       1-0   
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#1548
Thanks Old School. I have added the team's post-season record to your table. [Corrections made.  :) ]

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 27, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
Home teams were 26-10.  

Randolph-Macon never played a home game or an away game.

Williams, Guilford and Point, the other Final Four teams were 11-0 at home.

First round home teams were 11-5



   TEAM      CONF   RECORD          HOME      AWAY      NEUTRAL   
   Medaille      AMCC   1-1                1-1   
   Mary Hardin-Baylor      ASC   0-1    0-1               
   Texas-Dallas      ASC   1-1 +Bye    1-0       0-1         
   Wesley      CAC   0-1          0-1         
   St. Mary's (Md)      CAC   2-1    2-1               
   Gordon      CCC   0-1          0-1         
   Illinois Wesleyan      CCIW   3-1          1-1       2-0   
   Wheaton      CCIW   1-1          1-1         
   Carthage      CCIW   2-1    2-0             0-1   
   Frank & Marsh      Centennial   3-1          2-0       1-1   
   Cabrini      CSAC   0-1                0-1   
   Brooklyn      CUNYAC   0-1          0-1         
   Nazareth      Empire 8   0-1                0-1   
   St. John Fisher      Empire 8   1-1    1-1               
   Albertus Magnus      GNAC   1-1          1-0       0-1   
   Maryville      GSAC   0-1                0-1   
   Anderson      HCAC   1-1          0-1       1-0   
   Defiance      HCAC   0-1                0-1   
   Central      IIAC   0-1                0-1   
   Chapman      IND   1-1    1-0       0-1         
   Merchant Marine      LAND   1-1    1-1               
   Rhode Island C.      LEC   2-1          1-0       1-1   
   St. Lawrence      Liberty   0-1                0-1   
   Albright      MACC   0-1    0-1               
   Lycoming      MACC   0-1                0-1   
   DeSales      MACF   2-1                2-1   
   Bridgewater St.      MASCAC   0-1    0-1               
   Hope      MIAA   0-1                0-1   
   Carleton      MIAC   0-1          0-1         
   St. Thomas      MIAC   0-1                0-1   
   St. Norbert      MWC   1-1          0-1       1-0   
   Maine-Farmington      NAC   1-1          1-1         
   Aurora      NathCon   0-1          0-1          
   Wooster      NCAC   2-1    2-0       0-1         
   SUNYIT      NEAC   2-1          1-1       1-0   
   Williams      NESCAC   4-1 + Bye    3-0             1-1   
   Middlebury      NESCAC   1-1    1-1               
   Clark      NEWMAC   1-1          1-0       0-1   
   MIT      NEWMAC   0-1                 0-1   
   Richard Stockton      NJAC   0-1                0-1   
   Rutgers-Newark      NJAC   0-1                0-1   
   William Paterson      NJAC   0-1    0-1               
   Whitworth      NWC   1-1 + Bye    1-0             0-1   
   John Carroll      OAC   1-1          0-1       1-0   
   Wilmington      OAC   1-1          0-1       1-0   
   Guilford      ODAC   4-1    4-0             0-1   
   Eastern Menn.      ODAC   3-1    2-0       0-1       1-0   
   Randolph-Macon      ODAC   4-1                 4-1   
   Virginia Wesleyan      ODAC   1-1          0-1       1-0   
   Grove City      PrAC   0-1          0-1         
   Centre      SCAC   0-1          0-1         
   CMS      SCIAC   0-1          0-1         
   SUNY-Purchase      SKY   0-1          0-1         
   Westminster      SLIAC   0-1          0-1         
   Oneonta State      SUNYAC   0-1                0-1   
   Plattsburgh St.      SUNYAC   0-1    0-1               
   Brandeis      UAA   3-1          1-1       2-0   
   Washington U.      UAA   1-1    1-1               
   Chris. Newport      USAC   0-1          0-1         
   UW-Stevens Point      WIAC   6-0    4-0             2-0   
   UW-Whitewater      WIAC   1-1          0-1       1-0   

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Just a note, I changed it in my table.  MIT was 0-1 on a nuetral court, not 0-1 at home.

Home teams were 11-5 in the 1st round.

9-4 in the 2nd round.

3-1 in the Sweet 16.

3-0 in the Elite 8.

Eastern Mennonite was the only team to play at least one home game, one away game and one nuetral site game.

Prior to the Final Four (where obviously everyone is on a nuetral court), these teams never left home.

Mary Hardin-Baylor (0-1)
St. Mary's (2-1)
St. John Fisher (1-1)
Merchant Marine (1-1)
Albright (0-1)
Bridgewater State (0-1)
Middlebury (1-1)
Williams (3-0)
William Paterson (0-1)
Guilford (4-0)
Plattsburgh State (0-1)
Washington U. (1-1)
Stevens Point (4-0)


The best away/nuetral court record was Randolph-Macon at 4-1.  They never played an away or home game.

Illinois Wesleyan, Franklin and Marshall and Brandeis went 3-1 in such games.

Rhode Island College and DeSales went 2-1 in away/nuetral court games.

Franklin and Marshall was the only team to go 2-0 on the road (not including nuetral court).  Albertus Magnus, Rhode Island College and Clark also went undefeated on the road, albeit, 1-0.   
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Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 28, 2010, 04:36:33 PM

Illinois Wesleyan, Franklin and Marshall and Brandeis went 3-1 in such games.

Before facing Stevens Point at Stevens Point, IWU beat the IIAC champ (Central) on a neutral court, the UAA champ (Wash U) on their floor, and the CCIW champ (Carthage) on a neutral court. 

A tough road and a nice run by the Titans.

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   CON      REC      TEAMS   
   ODAC       12-4      RMC, Virginia Wes, E. Men., Guilford   
   WIAC       7-1      Stevens Point, Whitewater   
   CCIW       6-3      Carthage, Ill. Wes., Wheaton   
   NESCAC       5-2      Williams, Middlebury   
   UAA       4-2      Washington U, Brandeis   
   Centennial       3-1      Franklin and Marshall   
   CAC       2-2      Wesley, St. Mary's    
   OAC       2-2      John Carroll, Wilmington   
   LEC       2-1      Rhode Island College   
   MACF       2-1      DeSales   
   NCAC       2-1      Wooster   
   NEAC       2-1      SUNYIT   
   ASC       1-2      Mary Hardin-Baylor, Texas-Dallas   
   Empire 8       1-2      Nazareth, St. John Fisher   
   HCAC       1-2      Anderson, Defiance   
   NEWMAC       1-2      Clark, MIT   
   AMCC       1-1      Medaille   
   GNAC       1-1      Albertus Magnus   
   IND       1-1      Chapman   
   LAND       1-1      Merchant Marine   
   MWC       1-1      St. Norbert   
   NAC       1-1      Maine-Farmington   
   NWC       1-1      Whitworth   
   NJAC       0-3      Rich Stock, Will Pat, Rutgers-Newark   
   MACC       0-2      Albright, Lycoming   
   MIAC       0-2      Carleton, St. Thomas   
   SUNYAC       0-2      Oneonta State, Plattsburgh State   
   CCC       0-1      Gordon   
   CSAC       0-1      Cabrini   
   CUNYAC       0-1      Brooklyn   
   GSAC       0-1      Maryville   
   IIAC       0-1      Central   
   Liberty       0-1      St. Lawrence   
   MASCAC       0-1      Bridgewater State   
   MIAA       0-1      Hope   
   NathCon       0-1      Aurora   
   PrAC       0-1      Grove City   
   SCAC       0-1      Centre   
   SCIAC       0-1      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   
   SKY       0-1      SUNY-Purchase   
   SLIAC       0-1      Westminster   
   USAC       0-1      Christopher Newport   
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#1552
In the last 10 seasons (2000-01 through 2009-10), Illinois Wesleyan has a 17-6 (.739) record in the NCAA tournament (6 appearances).  In that span, the Titans have only played 3 home games (all 3 were in Round 1).

That 17-win mark is very impressive considering IWU's roads the last 10 years.   I guess also impressive in that the Titans have had 3 head coaches in the last 10 seasons (and had to go through 2 coaching changes).   


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Yeah, that 2006 run was pretty impressive with wins over Whitewater on the road and then over #1 and undefeated Lawrence in Appleton.  Then, they lost by 2 in the semis to Virg. Wes., if I'm correct.  It's too bad they weren't able to come home with any hardware.
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Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 28, 2010, 05:13:50 PM
Yeah, that 2006 run was pretty impressive with wins over Whitewater on the road and then over #1 and undefeated Lawrence in Appleton.  Then, they lost by 2 in the semis to Virg. Wes., if I'm correct.  It's too bad they weren't able to come home with any hardware.

The 2001 run was similar.  IWU won @ IIAC champ Wartburg in Round 2, vs CCIW champ Elmhurst in Round 3 on a neutral court, and then beat #1-ranked Chicago in the Elite 8, on Chicago's floor.

In the last 10 seasons, IWU has knocked off 5 #1 or #2-ranked teams (all on the road)...

* March 6, 2010 - IWU 75 (#1) Wash U 70 (@ Wash U) - Round 2
* March 10, 2006 - IWU 63 (#1) Lawrence 59 (@ Lawrence) - Round 3
* March 6, 2004 - IWU 77 (#2) Hanover 67 (@ Hanover) - Round 2
* March 8, 2003 - IWU 85 (#2) Wash U 73 (@ Wash U) - Round 2
* March 10, 2001 - IWU 77 (#1) Chicago 68 (@ Chicago) - Round 4

Some great games there.

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How good of a high school backcourt was Sean Wallis and Jon Scheyer?!

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#1556
I didn't know Wallis and Scheyer played together ... not to mention Zach Kelly!  Wallis had more assists and shot a better percentage from three than Scheyer, recently named a second team all-American ... not too shabby.  That is a heck of a high school team:

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2004-05/2info5.htm

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