FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[AndrewB]

Just noticed.  Don't know when it was announced.

UW-Platteville is adding 2 sports.
Men's Golf
Women's wrestling

Both begin in 2027.

[bleedpurple]

Ha. As Pat said on the podcast- the Blanchard treatment (or something to that effect).

lol. I think that's what made me think of saying that. Truthfully, I never feel comfortable sharing injury news either way. Always feel like that's the head coach's prerogative and he may wanted it handled differently in every situation. So it's kind of a stay-away for me.

[emma17]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.
I think that's the game he tried to punt and was too close to the line of scrimmage- blocked.

[Patrick Coleman]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

[emma17]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

Right- thank you. I was going to mention sack yardage/or busted pass plays that become a short run, but the gist remains the same.
There is an opportunity cost the offense is losing out on. A truly simple question the OC should ask himself- do we put more pressure on the D handing the ball to a running back 14 more times- or having our QB run it 14 times.

[AndrewB]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

Right- thank you. I was going to mention sack yardage/or busted pass plays that become a short run, but the gist remains the same.
There is an opportunity cost the offense is losing out on. A truly simple question the OC should ask himself- do we put more pressure on the D handing the ball to a running back 14 more times- or having our QB run it 14 times.

Just did math and this doesn't add up.  If you take out the 8 yard sack and 2 kneel downs it gives you 14 rushing attempts.  These are what the Whitewater play by play gives you.
4 1 -2 -3 3 5 2 4 8 3 1 1 -2 3
That's 28 yards. 
Either way, it's a bad formula for a successful offense.
 

[bleedpurple]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

Right- thank you. I was going to mention sack yardage/or busted pass plays that become a short run, but the gist remains the same.
There is an opportunity cost the offense is losing out on. A truly simple question the OC should ask himself- do we put more pressure on the D handing the ball to a running back 14 more times- or having our QB run it 14 times.

A fair question.  One of the issues Saturday was that the RF defense began "hawking","Keying', whatever terminolgy you want to use- Novotny. With the passing game being what it was (a separate issue that needs to be examined), perhaps we were trying to make the defense pay a price for selling out to stop Novotny. I havne't talked to anyone, but they were overcommitting to stop Tommy, so it's a possibility.

Also, I think Klinkner's runs likely took carries away from the backup running backs rather than Tommy. Again, guessing here, but I see our backup running backs had zero carries. And carries by a backup running back don't make the defense pay a price for overcommitting on Tommy. Novotny had 23 carries. Again, this is my thinking, not necessarily the staff's, but do we want a 175-pound freshman running back to get far more than 23 carries in the first WIAC game of a season we hope to go deep into the playoffs?  Just asking...

None of this is to say your question isn't valid, it is. Just trying to think of possible reasons for the play mix that was called.

I still maintain that when the passing game becomes more effective, the QB carries will drop.

But having said everything I just said, I know nothing. Just some Wednesday musings...

[Patrick Coleman]

I only did the math based on sack yardage and rushing yardage but statistically, an individual quarterback is not supposed to be charged for kneeldowns. I'm not convinced every statkeeper denotes it properly, however.

[emma17]

Bleed- your point about the backup RB is right on. I'm not saying every QB run should have been a play for Tommy. UWW absolutely needs to be protective of the kid- and that's where the next RB in line should get the carries.

Klinkner has had some good passing games so I believe he has the ability. In the losses to UWRF and UWL last year, and last week's game vs. UWRF, it seems the OC gets highly conservative and calls the safest of plays, including a lot of swing pass/wide receiver screens that don't move the ball forward.

In general I'm not a fan of pass plays thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage especially if you have a running game getting positive yards. The beloved Bears had a series last week where they were pounding the run down the field and they get into or close to the red zone with a first and ten. They throw a wide receiver screen that gets blown up at the line and now face second and 10. I get the idea of making the D line run to tire them out, but at the same time it didn't look like the D had any chance of stopping three running plays in a row. Now, if they can run an effective slant route, that's a different story. .

[colinsteinke]

Eagles' defense must improve if they are to beat WW.

They should be fine.  Just like last year they probably give up between 17-21 points in this game. 
They gave up 24 @ St John's
They gave up 28 at home vs Hardin Simmons
They gave up 31 @ Oshkosh against who I believe is the best quarterback in D3.  There's a reason he was recruited by GVS.
Windy conditions and the first road test of the year for Whitewater.
Low scoring very close game.

Oh come on now. You think Oshkosh's QB is the best QB in D3?

And he committed to Ferris State before transferring to NCC and now has landed in Oshkosh.

[bleedpurple]

Bleed- your point about the backup RB is right on. I'm not saying every QB run should have been a play for Tommy. UWW absolutely needs to be protective of the kid- and that's where the next RB in line should get the carries.

Klinkner has had some good passing games so I believe he has the ability. In the losses to UWRF and UWL last year, and last week's game vs. UWRF, it seems the OC gets highly conservative and calls the safest of plays, including a lot of swing pass/wide receiver screens that don't move the ball forward.

In general I'm not a fan of pass plays thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage especially if you have a running game getting positive yards. The beloved Bears had a series last week where they were pounding the run down the field and they get into or close to the red zone with a first and ten. They throw a wide receiver screen that gets blown up at the line and now face second and 10. I get the idea of making the D line run to tire them out, but at the same time it didn't look like the D had any chance of stopping three running plays in a row. Now, if they can run an effective slant route, that's a different story. .

There it is. An effective slant route covers a multitude of sins! No better time to unveil our barrage of slant routes than against La Crosse!

[AndrewB]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

Right- thank you. I was going to mention sack yardage/or busted pass plays that become a short run, but the gist remains the same.
There is an opportunity cost the offense is losing out on. A truly simple question the OC should ask himself- do we put more pressure on the D handing the ball to a running back 14 more times- or having our QB run it 14 times.

Eagles' defense must improve if they are to beat WW.

They should be fine.  Just like last year they probably give up between 17-21 points in this game. 
They gave up 24 @ St John's
They gave up 28 at home vs Hardin Simmons
They gave up 31 @ Oshkosh against who I believe is the best quarterback in D3.  There's a reason he was recruited by GVS.
Windy conditions and the first road test of the year for Whitewater.
Low scoring very close game.

Oh come on now. You think Oshkosh's QB is the best QB in D3?

And he committed to Ferris State before transferring to NCC and now has landed in Oshkosh.

I should have know that he went to Ferris State.  I was just Lazy.

And Yes
Demir Ashiru IS the most dangerous and most talented quarterback in D3.  If you run for over 200 yards and pass for over 200 yards.  You are an ELITE TALENT. 

[colinsteinke]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

Right- thank you. I was going to mention sack yardage/or busted pass plays that become a short run, but the gist remains the same.
There is an opportunity cost the offense is losing out on. A truly simple question the OC should ask himself- do we put more pressure on the D handing the ball to a running back 14 more times- or having our QB run it 14 times.

Eagles' defense must improve if they are to beat WW.

They should be fine.  Just like last year they probably give up between 17-21 points in this game. 
They gave up 24 @ St John's
They gave up 28 at home vs Hardin Simmons
They gave up 31 @ Oshkosh against who I believe is the best quarterback in D3.  There's a reason he was recruited by GVS.
Windy conditions and the first road test of the year for Whitewater.
Low scoring very close game.

Oh come on now. You think Oshkosh's QB is the best QB in D3?

And he committed to Ferris State before transferring to NCC and now has landed in Oshkosh.

I should have know that he went to Ferris State.  I was just Lazy.

And Yes
Demir Ashiru IS the most dangerous and most talented quarterback in D3.  If you run for over 200 yards and pass for over 200 yards.  You are an ELITE TALENT. 

Sure. Talented QB. Not the best in D3. And one week doesn't anoint you the best QB in D3. 

Do it against UWRF and UWW and we'll talk.

[bleedpurple]

And Yes
Demir Ashiru IS the most dangerous and most talented quarterback in D3.  If you run for over 200 yards and pass for over 200 yards.  You are an ELITE TALENT. 

Demier Ashiru is incredibly athletic and dangerous. Best in D3? No idea because I haven't seen everyone. But I honestly can't rule it out. He is a problem.

La Crosse didn't do themselves any favors through some of their alignments, man-to-man concepts, and arm tackling. But the kid is really good and really dangerous. I am extemely intrigued to see how he fares against the RF defense. If anyone can dent them, it may be a kid like that.

On the other hand running QB's don't have a great history of playing an entire game against UW-W. This RF defense hits hard too. Keeping him healthy may be the biggest issue.

[Patrick Coleman]

Part of last year's box score vs. UWL. Unfortunately, I see a pattern that has not changed. 16 completions for 79 yards- yeouch!


https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2025/boxscores/20251004_6sus.xml?view=boxscore

Kyle Hass was worse.  Zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  The only offensive touchdown they scored was with the backup quarterback.

Even more reason to wonder what's going on w the UWW offense.
Klinkner had 17 carries for 34 yards. Imagine that. 2 yards a carry and you keep calling his number.

It's 14 carries for 40 yards once you eliminate the sacks, which are deducted from rushing offense in college football. Not a tremendous difference but more accurate.

Right- thank you. I was going to mention sack yardage/or busted pass plays that become a short run, but the gist remains the same.
There is an opportunity cost the offense is losing out on. A truly simple question the OC should ask himself- do we put more pressure on the D handing the ball to a running back 14 more times- or having our QB run it 14 times.

Eagles' defense must improve if they are to beat WW.

They should be fine.  Just like last year they probably give up between 17-21 points in this game. 
They gave up 24 @ St John's
They gave up 28 at home vs Hardin Simmons
They gave up 31 @ Oshkosh against who I believe is the best quarterback in D3.  There's a reason he was recruited by GVS.
Windy conditions and the first road test of the year for Whitewater.
Low scoring very close game.

Oh come on now. You think Oshkosh's QB is the best QB in D3?

And he committed to Ferris State before transferring to NCC and now has landed in Oshkosh.

I should have know that he went to Ferris State.  I was just Lazy.

And Yes
Demir Ashiru IS the most dangerous and most talented quarterback in D3.  If you run for over 200 yards and pass for over 200 yards.  You are an ELITE TALENT. 

I mean, Grand Valley might have recruited him, too.