MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Knight2Day]

A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Interesting situation.  It seems like the players on the team had a major beef with the coach's inability to define roles and have a set rotation.  They have voted with their feet and aired their grievances with the local media.

Player quotation: "We never had a rotation. It was whoever [the coaching staff] felt like playing at the time."
Player quotation II:  "[The coaching staff] kept telling us how deep we were and, yeah, we probably had guys that can play; but even teams that have 10 or 11 guys that can really play...you want to get a rotation down."

Coach quotation:  "As a coach, you need to analyze each game and make decisions on which players are going to give you the best opportunity to win.  This is often contrary to what the players see or think."

But where did that coaching philosophy get him? The fact is that this seemingly talented Goshen team got significantly worse in the W-L column throughout the year.  They started out 13-1 , posting a 10-3 non conference record.  Then, they go 8-10 in league and lose in the first round of conference tourney.  And, five contributors felt the need to transfer schools over these issues. 

I know of one coach in these parts who has taken quite a bit of flak over having a very defined rotation, and also struggling in non-conference play.  But if that leads to players knowing their defined roles, generally improving over the course of the season, and retaining the top talent within the program, is that such a bad thing?

I think one of the issues at hand for the coach in question in the MIAA is one of the same that the coach at Goshen suffered from. Inability to adapt as the season progresses. Also, that practices really aren't that tough and all you work on is shooting. But that's a story for another day

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A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Interesting situation.  It seems like the players on the team had a major beef with the coach's inability to define roles and have a set rotation.  They have voted with their feet and aired their grievances with the local media.

Player quotation: "We never had a rotation. It was whoever [the coaching staff] felt like playing at the time."
Player quotation II:  "[The coaching staff] kept telling us how deep we were and, yeah, we probably had guys that can play; but even teams that have 10 or 11 guys that can really play...you want to get a rotation down."

Coach quotation:  "As a coach, you need to analyze each game and make decisions on which players are going to give you the best opportunity to win.  This is often contrary to what the players see or think."

But where did that coaching philosophy get him? The fact is that this seemingly talented Goshen team got significantly worse in the W-L column throughout the year.  They started out 13-1 , posting a 10-3 non conference record.  Then, they go 8-10 in league and lose in the first round of conference tourney.  And, five contributors felt the need to transfer schools over these issues. 

I know of one coach in these parts who has taken quite a bit of flak over having a very defined rotation, and also struggling in non-conference play.  But if that leads to players knowing their defined roles, generally improving over the course of the season, and retaining the top talent within the program, is that such a bad thing?

I think one of the issues at hand for the coach in question in the MIAA is one of the same that the coach at Goshen suffered from. Inability to adapt as the season progresses. Also, that practices really aren't that tough and all you work on is shooting. But that's a story for another day

I wouldn't be so quick to project the Goshen example on any other program - in terms of support or dissent. One could very easily cherry pick quotes to progress and agenda from either side considering many of the quotes contradict each other. My takeaway is that players prone to being unhappy will be unhappy no matter what.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Calvin's list  (may or may not be complete.....or factual)

1. consult master plan -complete

Thinking the announcement below may change this item - and perhaps cause FB to get put on the Calvin master plan

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

[wiz]

Calvin's list  (may or may not be complete.....or factual)

1. consult master plan -complete

Thinking the announcement below may change this item - and perhaps cause FB to get put on the Calvin master plan

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

I actually saw the Master plan and it states that Calvin will always pay for it's own stuff and not depend on the city or public schools.

[knightvision]

...if I knew how to give karma, I'd give you some!

Once you've made 200 posts, an 'applaud' and 'smite' button will appear next to each post (under each user's Karma score).

Thanks for the education and helping a newbie along.  And I enjoyed the season preview--nicely done!

There, now I'm one post closer to being able to give some official love.  Do I get a varsity letter when I move up from the JV? 

[sac]

Calvin's list  (may or may not be complete.....or factual)

1. consult master plan -complete

Thinking the announcement below may change this item - and perhaps cause FB to get put on the Calvin master plan

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

I actually saw the Master plan and it states that Calvin will always pay for it's own stuff and not depend on the city or public schools.

eh, some colleges embrace the communities they're a part of and work with the local government to solve issues related to their need for space and facilities.  Others run to the beltline.

To each his own.


ps  Grand Rapids Christian would like to talk to you about using their ice hockey facility and how Calvin is not relying on them.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

eh, some colleges embrace the communities they're a part of and work with the local government to solve issues related to their need for space and facilities.

That's one way to spin it.  The way I see it, the city of Holland and the Holland public schools aren't exactly awash in cash right now.  Hope has a few bucks and can step in and solve some short term cash flow problems for the city by buying the stadium, probably on the cheap.  Then the local politicians won't need to make as many tough short term cash flow decisions like increasing taxes.  Long term, the public schools are on the hook to pay Hope to lease the stadium for HS football.  It's a savvy business move for Hope College and allows local politicians to do the typical kick-the-can type of policy making that transfers today's financial shortfalls to the future. 

If it happens, I give credit to Hope for being opportunistic business-wise and can still use the PR of being collaborative with the community.  Everyone wins except the Holland public schools down the road.

[sac]

eh, some colleges embrace the communities they're a part of and work with the local government to solve issues related to their need for space and facilities.

That's one way to spin it.  The way I see it, the city of Holland and the Holland public schools aren't exactly awash in cash right now.  Hope has a few bucks and can step in and solve some short term cash flow problems for the city by buying the stadium, probably on the cheap.  Then the local politicians won't need to make as many tough short term cash flow decisions like increasing taxes.  Long term, the public schools are on the hook to pay Hope to lease the stadium for HS football.  It's a savvy business move for Hope College and allows local politicians to do the typical kick-the-can type of policy making that transfers today's financial shortfalls to the future. 

If it happens, I give credit to Hope for being opportunistic business-wise and can still use the PR of being collaborative with the community.  Everyone wins except the Holland public schools down the road.

speaking of spin 

Hope has had a LONG history of working with the city on a variety of issues, some successful some not, some to the city's advantage, some to the college.  This is not a one time opportunistic deal. 

[knights2000]

Calvin's list  (may or may not be complete.....or factual)

1. consult master plan -complete

Thinking the announcement below may change this item - and perhaps cause FB to get put on the Calvin master plan

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

I actually saw the Master plan and it states that Calvin will always pay for it's own stuff and not depend on the city or public schools.

eh, some colleges embrace the communities they're a part of and work with the local government to solve issues related to their need for space and facilities.  Others run to the beltline.

To each his own.


ps  Grand Rapids Christian would like to talk to you about using their ice hockey facility and how Calvin is not relying on them.

I may be wrong, but I think the agreement allows Calvin to use GRCHS's ice and in return GRCHS uses Calvin's aquatic facilities.

[NW Hope Fan]

Hope has had a LONG history of working with the city on a variety of issues,

Ah yes, Tree House!

That would be "Treehouse". A lovely place to live and play!

[realist]

Calvin's list  (may or may not be complete.....or factual)

1. consult master plan -complete

Thinking the announcement below may change this item - and perhaps cause FB to get put on the Calvin master plan

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

I actually saw the Master plan and it states that Calvin will always pay for it's own stuff and not depend on the city or public schools.

eh, some colleges embrace the communities they're a part of and work with the local government to solve issues related to their need for space and facilities.  Others run to the beltline.

To each his own.


ps  Grand Rapids Christian would like to talk to you about using their ice hockey facility and how Calvin is not relying on them.

Calvin and GRCHS have a long record of working together and sharing facilities.  In the 60's, before the Knollcrest fieldhouse was built, Calvin played some home games at the than GRCHS gym at Franklin and Madison.  A site now owned by Kent County.  Calvin also rented the Welsh auditorium, and  Calvin/Hope games were played down there.  Calvin also used other public facilities in Grand Rapids as the need arose.    For many years in the 60's ,70's, 80's etc. the various Christian schools played bball at Knollcrest, and Knollcrest, being the largest facility of it's type in West. MI was the site of numerous public high school bball tournament games.  Hope does not have, nor did it ever have, an exclusive in terms of working within it's community and being a good neighbor. 
Many Calvin fans figured Hope held off 40 years on building a decent fieldhouse hoping they could continue to ride on the taxpayer's of Hollands tab.  I recall many reports of failed attempts to try to come up with an agreeable site and financing, and management arrangements for a replacement for the Civic Center.  I also recall that part of the agreement for the De Vos was that it was to be shared with HCHS. 
How about Calvin utilizing the Van Andel arena for a Calvin/Hope game, not to mention using it for graduation for a number of years.  Calvin has opened up it's facilites on many occasions for public events like presidential debates, concerts, aand other meetings.  Contrary to "running for the beltline" Calvin made a prudent business decision that has served the college well for over 50 years now.  Calvin is a respected member of it's community just like Hope is in Holland. You just have to love that Master Plan.

I suppose your next post will claim To each his own. wasn't intended as a cheap shot, and that Calvin fans have no sense of humor. You clearly do not know as much about the histroy of Calvin College, and it's standing in the community as you would like to lead others to believe.

[sac]

I suppose your next post will claim To each his own. wasn't intended as a cheap shot, and that Calvin fans have no sense of humor. You clearly do not know as much about the histroy of Calvin College, and it's standing in the community as you would like to lead others to believe.

Man you have seriously lost your sense of humor completely.  Have a glass o'wine put on some smooth jazz, chill out, relax and realize who I was responding to and their history of cheap shots.

Or maybe we could talk about how sensitive I am.

[goodknight]

The estimable Grand Haven Tribune (not to be compared with, or confused for, the inestimable Mrs. OK) reports today that Grand Haven High School's best hoopster, Alex Eidson, is heading to Hope.  Another nice get for the Flying Dutchmen, Alex averaged over 17 points and 5 rebounds in his senior season.  He's a fourth-team BankHoops Class A honoree, and sixth-team Class A All-Stater in the Detroit Free Press' listing.

[sac]

The estimable Grand Haven Tribune (not to be compared with, or confused for, the inestimable Mrs. OK) reports today that Grand Haven High School's best hoopster, Alex Eidson, is heading to Hope.  Another nice get for the Flying Dutchmen, Alex averaged over 17 points and 5 rebounds in his senior season.  He's a fourth-team BankHoops Class A honoree, and sixth-team Class A All-Stater in the Detroit Free Press' listing.

http://m.grandhaventribune.com/content/ghs-eidson-commits-hope-law-alma-college

[Knight2Day]

The estimable Grand Haven Tribune (not to be compared with, or confused for, the inestimable Mrs. OK) reports today that Grand Haven High School's best hoopster, Alex Eidson, is heading to Hope.  Another nice get for the Flying Dutchmen, Alex averaged over 17 points and 5 rebounds in his senior season.  He's a fourth-team BankHoops Class A honoree, and sixth-team Class A All-Stater in the Detroit Free Press' listing.

http://m.grandhaventribune.com/content/ghs-eidson-commits-hope-law-alma-college

Sounds like Hope is putting together quite the class, any word on Calvin's?