FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

olddog · October 20, 2025, 07:58:39 PM

I watched quite a bit of the WW game. LF is not improving as the season goes on, WW has. I think the issue is the infamous O line issue, being the biggest issue. (perhaps all the good ones are in the Pioneer Conference...Pat?) Plus, depth is not a good as in the past. It all cycles, let hope the Cats get it going again.

wildcat11 · October 21, 2025, 10:04:21 AM

Agreed that Linfield hasn't improved and that's surprising as hell. Worst Linfield offensive line in 25+ years and that's not an exaggeration. I die a little inside every time Linfield tries to run the ball inside for a 1/2 yard gain.

Dr. Doolittle · October 21, 2025, 10:37:42 AM

Quote from: NWC50 on October 20, 2025, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: that guy 31 on October 19, 2025, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 19, 2025, 11:20:04 AMThree games yesterday in SCIAC and three close games that should have been blow outs. La Verne made it a game with a week CMS. Redlands let PP come back and almost pull off a comeback and Chapman should have won by 21. SCIAC will likely send Chapman to playoff to get smashed in the first round.

Yeah, it looks like the conference has fallen back to Laverne. They are now able to compete.

Does anyone know the division tie-breaker if Redlands and CLU end up with the same record and split their head-to-head games? Seems like a big deal since one of them will get to play for a playoff spot and the other would be wasting its last week preparing for a meaningless game. CLU could handle business and win it themselves but Redlands is playing much better since the QB switch and I have a feeling they're going to get it done.

I've read comment after comment about how bad La Verne is and most of the time, it's warranted. But with a new coaching staff that started late, how come no one on this site can give them credit when they put a good game together? Every game since Chapman, the defense has improved. Their last 3 games they have only given up 34, 23, 22 in OT. Against CLU, they gave up a go ahead touchdown with 56 seconds left. The comments were, we saw CLU true colors. How about giving La Verne the credit of getting better week by week with the new staff. This past week, the were up on CMS in the 4th quarter 16-6, with their backup QB in the game and CMS hit a FG as time expired to force OT. Then in OT, La Verne settled for a field goal after the refs, instead of giving La Verne a 1st and goal at the 2, for a pass interference in the end zone, marked off 15 and gave them the ball at the 10. If this league is every going to thrive, all teams need to improve, but it never helps when the bottom teams never get credit when they improve.

I think that La Verne may be improving, possibly, but that does not discredit how down the SCIAC is. My opinion.

olddog · October 21, 2025, 11:23:46 AM

Quote from: wildcat11 on October 21, 2025, 10:04:21 AMAgreed that Linfield hasn't improved and that's surprising as hell. Worst Linfield offensive line in 25+ years and that's not an exaggeration. I die a little inside every time Linfield tries to run the ball inside for a 1/2 yard gain.

Now you know how us Dogs feel...makes the next play very predictable given software coaches can use today.

MonroviaCat · October 21, 2025, 12:26:59 PM

Quote from: wildcat11 on October 21, 2025, 10:04:21 AMAgreed that Linfield hasn't improved and that's surprising as hell. Worst Linfield offensive line in 25+ years and that's not an exaggeration. I die a little inside every time Linfield tries to run the ball inside for a 1/2 yard gain.

I'm going to disagree a little and say that Linfield's offense has improved some but that improvement is from such a low starting point and at such a slow rate that they aren't keeping up with other programs this season. McNabb actually looked better throwing the ball but the line play and lack of a running game absolutely killed the offense. Pair that with our defense getting pushed around (especially by the Whitworth running game) and absolutely horrible special teams play and you get what you get.

olddog · October 21, 2025, 12:38:40 PM

Quote from: MonroviaCat on October 21, 2025, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on October 21, 2025, 10:04:21 AMAgreed that Linfield hasn't improved and that's surprising as hell. Worst Linfield offensive line in 25+ years and that's not an exaggeration. I die a little inside every time Linfield tries to run the ball inside for a 1/2 yard gain.
I'm going to disagree a little and say that Linfield's offense has improved some but that improvement is from such a low starting point and at such a slow rate that they aren't keeping up with other programs this season. McNabb actually looked better throwing the ball but the line play and lack of a running game absolutely killed the offense. Pair that with our defense getting pushed around (especially by the Whitworth running game) and absolutely horrible special teams play and you get what you get.

Good point your D line is down too, slower etc

that guy 31 · October 21, 2025, 01:14:52 PM

Not to beat a dead horse here but does anyone know the SCIAC divisional tiebreaker? It has never been used before since they went to this silly intramural system but it is very much on the table this year. If Redlands beats CLU this weekend and they both win their final 2 games (none of that is certain but very possible) they would be tied at 5-2 in the conference. Both would have lost to Chapman and split with each other. How do they break that tie?

I tried to search the SCIAC website for answers but I couldn't find anything. If anyone has contact with a staff or something can they try to get this information. It is a huge difference between playing Chapman for the conference title/playoff berth and playing a throw-away game against Pomona in the cross-over week.

I guess aggregate score in their two games would be the best way but that tends to be more of a soccer thing. Maybe total points against? Score difference against Chapman? Sure would be nice to know. Do they talk about it on flo sports?

PickSixNick · October 24, 2025, 11:30:38 AM

This is my understanding of the tie breaker. If it is based off the same rules when the sun and surf started, first it is overall SCIAC record. Second, it is head to head. Third, it is quarters led head to head. Fourth, I believe it is quarters led within your pod (I am not 100% sure about this one).

That being said, Cal Lu led all 4 quarters against UR this year. In theory, they would either need to tie or lead at least 1 quarter in their upcoming game against UR.

Below are my SCIAC predictions this week.

UR: 17, CLU: 30
I don't think the tie breakers will matter. I see CLU winning this game comfortably.

CMS: 13, CU: 28
CMS has a good DL, and will need a big game from #44 to stay competitive. I believe CU's OL will be able to move CMS off the ball and have too many weapons at the skill positions for CMS to hang around.

ULV: 21, PP: 24
ULV has looked much better the past couple games and PP's offense has been struggling, but I believe PP has better players and will win a close one.

olddog · October 24, 2025, 01:53:41 PM

Pick,

I agree on your spreads, maybe the scoring is a little high, but the Regals have to be a 10+ favorite. CU, for sure +14, and PP it depends on who plays QB, but 3 is a good number.

In regards to the Regals and my Puppies. UR has to be able to run the ball a little in order to win. UR defense can not be out there all night. UR has to generate a couple first downs even if they dont score. If any RB fumbles make him walk home.
The Regals stadium is one of the best settings in west coast D3, I like FB stadiums with no track, sunk in, with a nice view out of one of the end zones. Regals have it all, plus I love that fans can yell at players in North end zone.

Pat Coleman · October 24, 2025, 02:09:57 PM

I have been to Redlands, Pomona-Pitzer, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps and Occidental but have yet to get to Cal Lu, La Verne, Whittier or Azusa Pacific. Someday!

wally_wabash · October 24, 2025, 02:21:16 PM

It's hard to beat the Runner right at dusk. Palm trees, mountains, that perfect orange/pink afterglow in the sky, impeccable natural grass surface. Words don't really do it justice.

I probably don't have a good excuse for not having gone to La Verne yet. I'll try to take care of that next season. We'll see if coverage lets me get to Whittier next season or not, but I'll definitely go to the Whittier at APU game.

that guy 31 · October 24, 2025, 03:53:17 PM

Quote from: PickSixNick on October 24, 2025, 11:30:38 AMThis is my understanding of the tie breaker. If it is based off the same rules when the sun and surf started, first it is overall SCIAC record. Second, it is head to head. Third, it is quarters led head to head. Fourth, I believe it is quarters led within your pod (I am not 100% sure about this one).

That being said, Cal Lu led all 4 quarters against UR this year. In theory, they would either need to tie or lead at least 1 quarter in their upcoming game against UR.

Below are my SCIAC predictions this week.

UR: 17, CLU: 30
I don't think the tie breakers will matter. I see CLU winning this game comfortably.

CMS: 13, CU: 28
CMS has a good DL, and will need a big game from #44 to stay competitive. I believe CU's OL will be able to move CMS off the ball and have too many weapons at the skill positions for CMS to hang around.

ULV: 21, PP: 24
ULV has looked much better the past couple games and PP's offense has been struggling, but I believe PP has better players and will win a close one.

Thanks for the info PickSix. Bulldogs are going to have to get off to a fast start and keep it going!

On the subject of the stadiums, The Runner in the evening is a great venue. Zinda Field at CMS is super nice in the afternoon. The view from the home stands with the mountains in the background is stunning. It is a great place to see games, especially when the weather starts to cool off.

The Chapman facility is outstanding. I have not been to Cal Lu since they moved into the current facility but have heard really good things about it. Best part about Pomona is the tree behind the goal posts that is very close to being in play. ULV is a pretty little campus and they've done a lot of work since I've been there. I love the brick building behind the north end zone. Are the tents still there?

Pat Coleman · October 24, 2025, 04:17:19 PM

The tents are still there -- I was there for a basketball game a few years ago.

NWC50 · October 26, 2025, 02:37:40 AM

Congratulations LaVerne, nice win tonight over PP 26-8.

SoCalLance · October 26, 2025, 10:44:48 PM

Based off the info PickSixNick provided it seems like Cal Lu still holds a clear path the championship game if they win out on the road against CMS and Pomona. Chapman seems to have clinched their pod and will host the championship game? Does anyone see anything differently?

La Verne picked up its first win since 2023. Hats off to the coaching staff at La Verne for improving throughout the season.