FB: Liberty League

[HSCTiger74]

  This has been an interesting discussion, and I understand the frustration, but without knowing the details of every D3 conference isn't it safe to say that most of them have their own Hilbert who will drag down their NPI.

[ICGrad]

This has been an interesting discussion, and I understand the frustration, but without knowing the details of every D3 conference isn't it safe to say that most of them have their own Hilbert who will drag down their NPI.

But do they have 2? (A Hilbert AND a Buff State). And are they associate, football-only members?

[Jonny Utah]

I get it.  We need to support the league and every team in it.  Thats what leagues are for or should be for in d3. Hilbert is an upstate school who wants to start a new program and the need opponents so let's help them out.  But as I'm typing this I'm still wondering if there is something else at play here...why take them in the first place?  How did that help the league?  And academics means nothing, if swathmore wanted to bring that guy with the candle back and join the league they would impact pool c the same.

The LL has the 3rd worst team in the country and the 15th worst team in the country in terms of NPI. Only two other conferences have two teams in the bottom 20.  And 10 years ago this wouldn't have mattered, but it does now. The LL should be better than that.  Maybe we should be angry at NPI or those who supported this system instead of Hilbert and Buff State. and ICgrad it looks like Ithaca was close to making the pool C bid if they didn't beat the **** out of two of the worst teams in the country. this expanded system is great for pool c and those teams who didn't win their league right? 

And IC I don't want to blame anyone for Ithaca not making the playoffs but themselves and losing to Union but we can't hide our heads in the sand here. Any league with two teams in the bottom 20 NPI are seriously hurting their chances of pool c bids.

HSCtiger you are probably right about other teams but the LL just happened to have two of those teams in the league this year. 

[HSCTiger74]

This has been an interesting discussion, and I understand the frustration, but without knowing the details of every D3 conference isn't it safe to say that most of them have their own Hilbert who will drag down their NPI.

But do they have 2? (A Hilbert AND a Buff State). And are they associate, football-only members?

   Well, in the case of my own ODAC we have Averett (five conference wins in four seasons) at 216 and Gallaudet (a new associate member, outscored 401 to 95 in conference) at 220. Could substituting two middling OOC games for them have raised an 8-2 Shenandoah into playoff range? I doubt it, but who knows. All you can do is win your games and hope you don't get hosed by some computer algorithm.

[UfanBill]

I get it.  We need to support the league and every team in it.  Thats what leagues are for or should be for in d3. Hilbert is an upstate school who wants to start a new program and the need opponents so let's help them out.  But as I'm typing this I'm still wondering if there is something else at play here...why take them in the first place? How did that help the league?  And academics means nothing, if swathmore wanted to bring that guy with the candle back and join the league they would impact pool c the same.

The LL has the 3rd worst team in the country and the 15th worst team in the country in terms of NPI. Only two other conferences have two teams in the bottom 20.  And 10 years ago this wouldn't have mattered, but it does now. The LL should be better than that.  Maybe we should be angry at NPI or those who supported this system instead of Hilbert and Buff State. and ICgrad it looks like Ithaca was close to making the pool C bid if they didn't beat the **** out of two of the worst teams in the country. this expanded system is great for pool c and those teams who didn't win their league right? 

And IC I don't want to blame anyone for Ithaca not making the playoffs but themselves and losing to Union but we can't hide our heads in the sand here. Any league with two teams in the bottom 20 NPI are seriously hurting their chances of pool c bids.

HSCtiger you are probably right about other teams but the LL just happened to have two of those teams in the league this year. 

Utah...I'm surprised you don't remember this. Hilbert played 2 seasons as an independent and mixed in games against both LL and E8 opponents. Union,Hobart, Buffalo St and St John Fisher all scheduled them as did Gallaudet and even Endicott. They seemed schedule ambitious. Next they likely would have followed nearby upstart Alfred St. to the ECFL until that league fell apart. With few other options they then begged their way into the E8 in 2024 BUT the seemingly innocuous LL/E8 scheduling agreement sent them to us to "even things up".... This didn't even up anything from the LL perspective and consider this... Union has a puzzling low NPI seeding, 37th out of 40, based mostly on their SOS completely out of their own control. Their "wins" included games over Hilbert 0-10, Buff St 1-9 and lest we forget one of their E8 crossovers Morrisville 0-10. Unfortunate