WBB: Landmark Conference

[saratoga]

Congrats are in order for UofS women's basketball coach Ben O'Brien who picked up his 100th. win today.
In just 3.5 years, his record stands at an amazing 100-6.

[ronk]

 And the AD game wrapup said that Ben tied a record across all divisions and sports for quickest to 100 victories(106 games).

[Augie2020]

Yes that is a fact 👏

[Augie2020]

NPI has a big Flaw also you have Denison ranked 9th in NPI they beat #14th John Carroll. According to Npi they jumped all the way up to 4th. Only team I see on that schedule in the top 60.  So Scranton is 3rd and they played and beat #24 Cortland, # 39 Susquehanna,#46 Etown ,#51 Catholic and #60 Stevens and they don't move come on and Dension beat John Carroll tonight and goes up 5 spots.So it is better for you to be ranked 10 to 15th like NYU and Denison and beat one team in the top 60 and fly up the rankings. Definetly a flaw in this NPI

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

NPI has a big Flaw also you have Denison ranked 9th in NPI they beat #14th John Carroll. According to Npi they jumped all the way up to 4th. Only team I see on that schedule in the top 60.  So Scranton is 3rd and they played and beat #24 Cortland, # 39 Susquehanna,#46 Etown ,#51 Catholic and #60 Stevens and they don't move come on and Dension beat John Carroll tonight and goes up 5 spots.So it is better for you to be ranked 10 to 15th like NYU and Denison and beat one team in the top 60 and fly up the rankings. Definetly a flaw in this NPI

Where have you found up to date NPI data?  None of the sites I know of have run new numbers yet.

[Augie2020]

Scott posted them. Denison ran up 1.347 ,Scranton .303 Oshkosh 1.758 for beating a team at 9-7 and ranked 65th in NPI also W&L .296

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Scott posted them. Denison ran up 1.347 ,Scranton .303 Oshkosh 1.758 for beating a team at 9-7 and ranked 65th in NPI also W&L .296

This was Denison's 16th win, which means they dropped their lowest win value and replaced it with this one.  NPI only counts wins that help you once you get past 15.  Same thing for Oshkosh.  Once Scranton gets to 16 (next game), they'll jump, too.

[Augie2020]

I personally think that robs a team that has say 5 wins against the top 60 compared to a team that played 1 team in the top 60. I personally dont think that is fair. My thought

[scottiedawg]

I personally think that robs a team that has say 5 wins against the top 60 compared to a team that played 1 team in the top 60. I personally dont think that is fair. My thought

Not sure what data you're relying on and I think you're also cherry picking.

Top 20 wins
Denison - 1
Scranton - 0

Top 30
Denison - 1
Scranton - 1

Top 40
Denison - 2
Scranton - 2

Top 50
Denison - 2
Scranton - 4

Top 60
Denison - 3
Scranton - 4

Top 100
Denison - 6
Scranton - 7

Top 125
Denison - 6
Scranton - 7

Top 200
Denison - 10
Scranton - 10

They are super close

And Scranton is only behind because they haven't gotten to 16 wins and can't start dropping any.

Scranton is projected simulated to be ahead of Denison by the end of the season.

[scottiedawg]

Scott posted them. Denison ran up 1.347 ,Scranton .303 Oshkosh 1.758 for beating a team at 9-7 and ranked 65th in NPI also W&L .296

This was Denison's 16th win, which means they dropped their lowest win value and replaced it with this one.  NPI only counts wins that help you once you get past 15.  Same thing for Oshkosh.  Once Scranton gets to 16 (next game), they'll jump, too.

While Ryan is technically correct, Wilkes and Goucher are pretty terrible so Scranton won't gain much until at least their 18th win.  The same mechanisms are in place; they just need to wade through the bad bottom of the Landmark and the fact that they booked PSU-Harrisburg and New Jersey City in NonConf.

[Augie2020]

Like Oshkosh did not play shifty teams give me a break

[Augie2020]

Let's compare schedule see how many top 60 teams did Oshkosh, W&l and Denison play go ahead I will wait

[Augie2020]

Was Cortland at 19 just recently? so who is cherry picking

[scottiedawg]

Like Oshkosh did not play shifty teams give me a break

You clearly do not understand NPI and are showing zero attempt to. Sound like you just want to be upset. 

Oshkosh no longer has to carry their Eureka win.

NPI sucks as a ranking of teams when it has a small amount of data (cough cough, football). Obviously NYU is not the 14th or whatever best team. It gets slowly better and better as data grows.

Give NPI the time that a basketball season affords it and the cream will rise. That cream will rise at different rates based off the schedule distribution a team has played thus far.

No one should look at current NPI and think it is saying "team #9 is better than team #10."

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

You can watch a detailed explanation of how it all works:

https://d3datacast.com/2024/07/31/npi-new-d3-tournament-selection-metric/

It's definitely not designed to be used until the end of the year - which also why the NCAA doesn't put the numbers out until the last few weeks - they don't want people who don't understand the system to read too munch into it.