Boyd's ISR rankings

[coachmilburn]

I have a question, could Boyd's ISR ratings produce the BEST 54 teams ?

If the NCAA's started today, this would be your 54 teams.  YES, I am aware there are many schools that have NOT reported yet.  YES, I agree the regular season conference champ and/or conference tourney champ has importance, but I want to post his rankings and compare to regional rankings when they are produce.


For complete list, http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


Last updated: Thu Apr 23 08:53:35 2009

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

              D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team      

1   130.7   25   4     36   6     7  Millsaps
 2   128.1   33   2     34   3    52  Pomona-Pitzer
 3   127.7   23   5     27   6    11  Heidelberg
 4   127.2   29   6     32   8    18  Texas-Tyler
 5   125.4   17   6     22   7     5  St. Thomas, Minnesota
 6   124.7   13   4     21   5    13  Carthage
 7   123.9   15   5     23   8    15  Illinois Wesleyan
 8   122.9   16   9     20  10     1  Wisconsin-Whitewater
 9   122.8   15   6     18   8     9  Marietta
10   121.7   14   6     15   9    10  St. Olaf
11   121.6   21   8     21   8    19  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
12   121.4   25   2     30   3   146  Southern Maine
13   119.7   21   2     21   3   171  Trinity, CT
14   119.6   17   2     27   2   153  St. Scholastica
15   119.5   27   3     33   5   158  Salisbury
16   119.2   19  10     25  15    14  Texas-Dallas
17   119.1   23   7     28   7    55  Wooster
18   119.1   23   7     31   8    58  Shenandoah
19   118.2   22   5     23   6   111  Ithaca
20   118.0   23  11     28  12    25  Texas Lutheran
21   117.9   17   7     25   9    38  Franklin
22   117.8   13   4     21   5    76  Thomas More
23   117.7   24   6     26   6   106  Eastern Connecticut State
24   117.6   26   5     29   8   139  George Fox
25   117.6   14   5     19   8    59  John Carroll
26   117.3   21   6     24   7    97  Penn State-Erie
27   117.3   23   7     28   7    87  Kean
28   117.3   26   8     28   8    86  Pacific Lutheran
29   117.3   18   9     22  15    26  Mary Hardin-Baylor
30   117.0   14   9     16  10    12  Wisconsin-La Crosse
31   116.9   25   7     27   7   104  California Lutheran
32   116.5   18   8     20   9    45  Christopher Newport
33   116.1   25   5     30   5   160  Keystone
34   115.9   19   9     24  16    43  Hardin-Simmons
35   115.6   25  13     25  16    37  North Carolina Wesleyan
36   115.6   17  11     20  14    20  DePauw
37   115.1   23  11     24  12    48  Methodist
38   115.1   23   9     25  10    84  Birmingham-Southern
39   114.8   16  12     21  13    16  Chapman
40   114.7   11  11     15  11     2  Wisconsin-Oshkosh
41   114.6   19   8     20  12    78  La Verne
42   114.6   16   5     26   6   120  Buena Vista
43   114.6   14   4     20   8   138  Aurora
44   114.0   14   7     19   9    60  Mount St. Joseph
45   113.8   16   8     17  11    65  Loras
46   113.6   26   4     28   5   221  Curry
47   113.5   22  11     22  12    67  Redlands
48   113.1   10  10     13  10     6  Otterbein
49   113.1   20  12     25  14    46  Mississippi College
50   113.0   17   9     19  11    66  Mount Union
51   113.0   17   8     19  14    88  Manhattanville
52   112.9   15  10     20  12    34  Ohio Wesleyan
53   112.9   20   7     21  10   133  Elizabethtown
54   112.9   21   4     23   7   213  Suffolk
55   112.7   15   5     26   7   145  Wilkes
56   112.7   10   8     14   8    23  St. Norbert
57   112.3   12   7     15  14    57  Manchester
58   112.2   15  15     21  19     8  Trinity, TX
59   112.0   25   8     27   9   166  Linfield
60   111.8   13   8     17  14    53  Coe
61   111.8    8   7     15   8    21  Washington and Jefferson
62   111.8   18  15     24  15    24  McMurry
63   111.5   13   8     20  10    63  Thiel
64   111.4   16  10     18  14    62  William Paterson
65   111.1    7   4     17   8    79  Rockford
66   111.1   16  13     19  17    30  Piedmont
67   110.9   19  14     27  16    41  Rhodes
68   110.6   24  11     25  12   123  Lynchburg
69   110.6   17  10     19  11    85  Rowan
70   110.2   10  14     18  21     3  Hendrix
71   110.2   15   9     19  13    90  DeSales
72   110.2   13   7     14   9   110  Amherst
73   110.0   15   6     19   9   163  Edgewood
74   110.0   20  11     23  12   105  Virginia Wesleyan
75   110.0   14  11     16  12    44  Keene State
76   109.8   20   5     25  12   224  Rochester
77   109.5   15  14     19  17    29  Denison
78   109.4   12  10     15  14    39  Wabash
79   109.1   18   6     19   7   202  Adrian
80   109.0   16  15     23  18    32  Emory
81   108.8   22   9     23  12   182  Western New England
82   108.8   13   7     14  15   125  Mary Washington
83   108.7   18  11     19  14   107  The College of New Jersey
84   108.7   10   7     16  15    81  Macalester
85   108.6   16  13     20  13    49  Montclair State
86   108.5   19   9     24  12   157  Ursinus
87   108.3   14   7     20  10   149  Luther
88   108.1   11   9     15  12    64  Transylvania
89   108.0   14  13     16  13    42  Baldwin-Wallace
90   107.8   15  12     22  14    70  Alvernia
91   107.7   14  14     19  14    36  Rutgers-Newark
92   107.7   14   5     15   8   214  Olivet
93   107.3   19  12     21  12   118  Kenyon
94   107.2   14  14     16  14    40  Wisconsin-Platteville
95   107.1   15   6     21   6   206  Beloit
96   107.1   12  10     19  12    75  Wartburg
97   107.1   16   7     22  12   195  Webster
98   106.8   11  13     16  14    28  Muskingum
99   106.8   15   9     17  12   140  St. John Fisher
100   106.7   14  11     22  12    94  Johns Hopkins
101   106.7   15   5     19  10   229  Delaware Valley
102   106.6   11   6     18   9   164  Plattsburgh State
103   106.6   10  19     13  24     4  Austin
104   106.1   19   8     21  10   211  Rhode Island College
105   105.9   14  13     20  17    71  Oglethorpe
106   105.9   13   7     17   7   181  Williams
107   105.5   17  15     17  18    91  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
108   105.3   17  10     22  11   172  Frostburg State
109   105.1   15  14     15  14    83  Allegheny
110   104.9   13  14     20  15    56  Huntingdon
111   104.6   13  12     14  15    96  Ferrum
112   104.1   12  11     12  11   101  Ripon
113   103.5   13   7     21  10   209  Worcester Tech - WPI ?
114   103.3   10  10     15  11    99  Wisconsin-Stout
115   103.1   11   5     12   8   232  Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
116   102.9   14   9     17  13   192  Haverford
117   102.8   15   6     19   9   241  MIT
118   102.8   15   9     17  14   204  Widener
119   102.8    9  14     12  20    31  Bluffton
120   102.8   13  11     17  11   137  Dallas
121   102.8   15  14     18  17   115  Randolph-Macon
122   102.7   17  16     17  16   114  Pacific, Oregon
123   102.5   10  12     11  17    74  Wittenberg
124   102.5   15  13     22  22   135  Simpson
125   102.0   15  13     18  14   144  Bowdoin
126   101.9   11   7     16  11   207  Bridgewater State
127   101.8   10  20     13  23    22  Cal State East Bay
128   101.7   12  10     14  10   161  Westfield State
129   101.5   10  10     17  15   121  Augsburg
130   101.5   14  17     14  23    92  Schreiner
131   101.3    9  13     12  18    54  Ohio Northern
132   101.3   13   9     17  10   200  Worcester State


For complete list, http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html




Teams NOT reporting OR I missed them in the list ?  If I missed, someone, let me know and I'll correct.

Central :
Augustana

Mid-Atlantic :
Penn State-Behrand
Fairleigh Dickinson-Florham

Mid-East :
Rose-Hulman

New England :
Wheaton
St. Joseph's Maine

New York :
Rensselear
Cortland St.
Old Westbury
Fredonia St.

South :
York

[BaseballFan]

So are you going to tell us how many of the 54 regional ranked teams are in Billy Boyds rankings or am I going to have to scroll up and down looking for myself? I would take a guess of 30

[Ralph Turner]

The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.

It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13. 

How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams?  That is my question about Boyd's.

(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15.  UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.)   

That is a huge discrepancy.

[coachmilburn]

Should we just delete this topic ? 

[Ralph Turner]

Should we just delete this topic ? 

I can or I can move it into another topic, just to show the fans research that has led to a "dead end".   

[coachmilburn]

Should we just delete this topic ? 

I can or I can move it into another topic, just to show the fans research that has led to a "dead end".   

OK, I've put the Reg'l teams ranked in "bold".

Let's not delete yet, I will "bold" print the Reg'l teams in his list to the end and see where we end up, it'll be interesting and hopefully the NCAA data will be accurate at the end.  Fair enough?

[Ralph Turner]

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

We can see how far away we are to having another "metric" of team performance.

Look at the teams from the "strong" conferences that are in the first 100!

[coachmilburn]

OK, I think I have listed all of the reg'l ranked teams in "bold" now and the one's that I am missing at the bottom of that list ... I am not sure about St. Joeseph Maine ?  Could they be #44 on Boyd's list ?

[BaseballFan]

I would like to point there are 30 teams in the boyds 54 and if you check back i said about 30....thanks for bolding them.

I think the Boyd rating scale is good in theory, but when a lot of records are incorrect and teams are missing, its just a misleading tool.

[coachmilburn]

I would like to point there are 30 teams in the boyds 54 and if you check back i said about 30....thanks for bolding them.

I think the Boyd rating scale is good in theory, but when a lot of records are incorrect and teams are missing, its just a misleading tool.

Hopefully the last 2 weeks of rankings, the NCAA data will be accurate, he pulls his data from there.  How, I am not sure how he does it?  BUT it'll be interesting to compare and chat about.

Each week, teams are being added, his entire list is up to 288 teams now.

[ppfan]

Once again, these numbers are off. It has PP at 34-3 when they are 31-3. Every time someone posts these Boyd Rankings the games played are wrong. It used to not have all the PP games, now it has too many. I'm sure there are problems with the records of the other teams.

[coachmilburn]

Once again, these numbers are off. It has PP at 34-3 when they are 31-3. Every time someone posts these Boyd Rankings the games played are wrong. It used to not have all the PP games, now it has too many. I'm sure there are problems with the records of the other teams.

Boyd has the following disclaimer:

Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

[Just Bill]

I'm telling ya, there's no way the NCAA's actual numbers are off by as much as Boyd says they are.  I don't know where Boyd gets his numbers, but it's not the real source that the NCAA committees have.  Sure there are SIDs who might have an error here or there, but since the regional committees are meeting weekly now, they get the discrepencies fixed.

I think that's been my problem with Boyd's list all along. He's implying that if the numbers are wrong it's the SIDs fault.  If that's true than the vast majority of SIDs are doing a horrible job reporting scores.  That's just the opposite of reality.

[coachmilburn]

The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.

It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13. 

How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams?  That is my question about Boyd's.

(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15.  UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.)   

That is a huge discrepancy.

On May 11th or 12th ... I highlight the Pool A, B and C's in different color and we'll have a good idea of how close Boyd's system actually is.

[OshDude]

The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.

It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13. 

How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams?  That is my question about Boyd's.

(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15.  UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.)   

That is a huge discrepancy.

On May 11th or 12th ... I highlight the Pool A, B and C's in different color and we'll have a good idea of how close Boyd's system actually is.

How will we find out? I may be missing something, but it's apples and oranges. Boyd's and the NCAA only overlap in that they list baseball teams. One's regional, the other is national. One uses correct in-region records, the other does not. One bases schedule strength on in-region games, the other does not. One doesn't seed nationally, the other seemingly does in order to be effective in whatever it does. And on and on. We have no way of knowing which of the top-ranked regional teams is considered the "best" overall. If Millsaps were to win the national championship tomorrow, how would Boyd's compare to the NCAA?

It's well and good to have another metric for the sake of discussion, but any comparative value seems like, at best, a misdirect to me.