Top 25 Discussion

[Ralph Turner]

Here is Spence's Top 25 and how they would make the playoffs, if current "seeding" stood.

1. Linfield
2. St. Thomas
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Cal Lutheran
5. Johns Hopkins
6. UW-Stevens Point                                         POOL C
7. Kean
8. St. Scholastica
9. Webster
10. Southern Maine
11. Manchester
12. Illinois Wesleyan
13. Wartburg
14. Wheaton (Mass.)
15. UT-Tyler
16. Marietta
17. Cortland State
18. Ramapo                                                           POOL C 
19. George Fox                                                      POOL C  
20. Huntingdon              POOL B   
21. Salisbury
22. Millsaps              POOL B       
23. Augustana                                                     POOL C
24. Ithaca                POOL B
25. Case Western Reserve   POOL B/C depending on whether there will be 3 or 4 Pool B bids when the final Handbook comes out

[Spence]

Here is Spence's Top 25 and how they would make the playoffs, if current "seeding" stood.

1. Linfield
2. St. Thomas
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Cal Lutheran
5. Johns Hopkins
6. UW-Stevens Point                                         POOL C
7. Kean
8. St. Scholastica
9. Webster
10. Southern Maine
11. Manchester
12. Illinois Wesleyan
13. Wartburg
14. Wheaton (Mass.)
15. UT-Tyler
16. Marietta
17. Cortland State
18. Ramapo                                                           POOL C 
19. George Fox                                                      POOL C  
20. Huntingdon              POOL B   
21. Salisbury
22. Millsaps              POOL B       
23. Augustana                                                     POOL C
24. Ithaca                POOL B
25. Case Western Reserve   POOL B/C depending on whether there will be 3 or 4 Pool B bids when the final Handbook comes out

Subject to change, and in fact probably already has. Millsaps lost to Rhodes, and Case split a DH with...Oberlin. Yikes. Case has a ton of games coming up though.

[Ralph Turner]

Fun time of year!   

[Spence]

Fun time of year!   

Yeah.

Also, national rankings aren't necessarily going to look like regional rankings because I'm looking at all games.

[Hammer Ball]

Johns Hopkins loses 4 of it's last 6, the Conf championship (won by Haverford), finishes 1/2 game over Haverford in Conf by virtue of a tie and goes 0-4 agst Haverford, yet JHU gets 3 Top 25 votes to Haverfords 2. . . . .  Voters please pay attention.

[BigPoppa]

Johns Hopkins loses 4 of it's last 6, the Conf championship (won by Haverford), finishes 1/2 game over Haverford in Conf by virtue of a tie and goes 0-4 agst Haverford, yet JHU gets 3 Top 25 votes to Haverfords 2. . . . .  Voters please pay attention.

The vote doesn't ONLY take into account conference games... it looks at a lot of factors. All that really matters in the NCAA Regional Rankings, not the Top 25 Poll. Hopkins is 4th while Haverford in 7th in the latest Mid-Atlantic Regional Ranking.

[108 Stitches]

The top 25 means nothing at this point, only winning your conference and the regional rankings.

[Hammer Ball]

Johns Hopkins loses 4 of it's last 6, the Conf championship (won by Haverford), finishes 1/2 game over Haverford in Conf by virtue of a tie and goes 0-4 agst Haverford, yet JHU gets 3 Top 25 votes to Haverfords 2. . . . .  Voters please pay attention.

The vote doesn't ONLY take into account conference games... it looks at a lot of factors. All that really matters in the NCAA Regional Rankings, not the Top 25 Poll. Hopkins is 4th while Haverford in 7th in the latest Mid-Atlantic Regional Ranking.

Sure. Know that. But as between 2 teams i thought head to head and similar opponents would count more.  Plus I think only Haverford has beaten a present Top 25 Team (TCNJ). But i am not certain on that.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Haverford is now ahead of Hopkins in the regional rankings.

There will probably be teams in the top 25 that won't get bids. Occidental is unlikely to, and Buena Vista, St. Thomas and Wartburg will likely all be on the bubble. There may be a couple more depending on how much the committee adjusts the regional rankings.

[BigPoppa]

Haverford is now ahead of Hopkins in the regional rankings.

There will probably be teams in the top 25 that won't get bids. Occidental is unlikely to, and Buena Vista, St. Thomas and Wartburg will likely all be on the bubble. There may be a couple more depending on how much the committee adjusts the regional rankings.

A weekend full of upsets didn't help the bubble teams.

[Ralph Turner]

Here is an update of how the Week #12 Top 25 performed in the 2018 National Championships.  The W-L records are as before the start of the NCAA tourney.

#   School (1st votes)	Rec	Pts	Prev.	Reg Rec. (Standing**)	World Series
....
1   UW-Whitewater (19)	31-6	618	1	2-3 (3)	*
2   Rowan (3)	33-9	566	4	2-2 (4)	*
3   Mass-Boston	34-8	560	5	4-2 (2) New Eng Reg	*
4   Wooster (3)	36-8	539	2	4-0 (1)	0-2
5   Randolph-Macon	31-7-1	508	3	4-0 (1)	Bracket Finalist 2-2
6   Texas Lutheran	34-9	452	6	4-0 (1)	Finalist 4-1
7   UW-Oshkosh	31-8	423	7	3-2 (2) Midwest Reg	*
8   Concordia-Chicago	33-12	383	10	5-1 (1)	Bracket Finalist 2-2
9   Cortland	32-10	368	9	3-2 (3)	*
10   Salisbury	33-10	348	15	1-2 (4)	*
11   TCNJ	28-9	325	12	1-2 (4)	*
12   Franklin	38-3	307	14	1-2 (4)	*
13   Christopher Newport	32-10	281	11	3-2 (2) South Reg	*
14   La Roche	34-8-1	263	16	1-2 (4)	*
15   Chapman	34-11	259	19	1-2 (4)	*
16   Shenandoah	34-10	246	18	1-2 (4)	*
17   Trinity (Texas)	33-9	238	8	not selected	*
18   Webster	36-8	228	20	2-2 (3)	*
19   Redlands	33-11	196	17	0-2 (5)	*
20   Roanoke	31-11	184	13	not selected	*
21   Keystone	34-10	136	21	2-2 (4)	*
22   Oswego State	26-12	126	23	4-0 (1)	0-2
23   Babson	32-10	97	rv	3-2 (2) Mid-Atl Reg	*
24   Southern Maine	27-13	62	22	3-2 (2) New York Reg	*
25   Adrian	33-10	56	rv	2-2 (3)	*
.
RV Swarthmore	32-9	17	rv	4-0 (1)	1-2
RV  Rhodes	29-14	11	rv	3-2 (2) Central Reg	*
*
*  Misericordia	31-12	**	**	5-1 (1)	1-2
*  Texas- Tyler	29-16	**	rv	6-1 (1)	3-1 Finalist
*   Wabash	28-15	**	**	4-2 (2) Mideast Reg	**
*   Willamette	28-17	**	**	3-2 (2) West Reg	**

Standings**

(1)  Won the regional
(2)  Regional Finalist
(3)  Elimination bracket finalist
(4)  Won at least 1 game in the Regionals
(5)  Went 0-2 in the Regionals


Corrections are always appreciated.

[BigPoppa]

Anyone have a list compiled of the top records in D3 as of today? I am curious to see how many wins some teams have already piled up while other parts of the country are still shoveling out.

[Pat Coleman]

This would be the place to look:
https://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2019/index

[BigPoppa]

Thanks, Pat!

[Ralph Turner]

https://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2023/2023Top25-week-0

I noticed the vote distribution in the Top 25. There is a very solid opinion about the top 6 teams. Were Marietta Pioneers (499 votes) to have been given 6th place on all twenty-five ballots, they would have earned 500 votes.

Out of a possible 3325 votes for the top 6 teams, 3243 were awarded and #7 Chapman at 427 is almost 3 spots on the ballot lower.

That even holds for Wooster at #22 receiving 124 votes. (The "perfect #22" would have received 100 votes.)