Pool C in 2016

[retagent]

I think the two games that are most likely to upset the apple cart for Pool C picks are the Carnegie Mellon (6-3) at Case Western Reserve (9-0) and the St. John's (8-1) at Concordia-Moorhead (7-1 NCAA, 7-2 all games) games. A lot of people will have vested interests in these games, as the outcomes will determine whether or not their teams get considered in the Pool C discussions.

Gang,

Wally's Pool C in order of picking:
1. Oshkosh
2. St. John Fisher
3. Wheaton
4. Hardin-Simmons
5. Case Western Reserve
6. St. John's

D3 Football's Pool C order of picking:
1. Oshkosh
2. Wheaton
3. Hardin-Simmons
4. Case Western Reserve
5. St. John's
6. Platteville

One big difference between the two is that D3 predicted St. John Fisher to lose to Alfred this Saturday, which for them muddies the waters in the East. Once again, it looks like this year that the secret final ranking is going to keep those of us on the outside wondering about the order of the Pool C picks. But, it looks fairly good like the West is going to get two teams in, the South is going to get two teams in, and the North will get one team in. Pecking order matters for that final spot.

Really looking forward to the Saturday night mock pick after Saturday's games are in the books.

If (on the off chance) Concordia beats St John's, that would give UW Platteville a road in. SJU would be out, and I doubt that they would select Concordia, with 2 losses, even though one of those "shouldn't" count.

[wally_wabash]

If (on the off chance) Concordia beats St John's, that would give UW Platteville a road in. SJU would be out, and I doubt that they would select Concordia, with 2 losses, even though one of those "shouldn't" count.

retagent-

I think the West's regional rankings foreshadow a situation where they're going to jump C-M in front of UW-P if the Cobbers win.  Despite the SOS disadvantage, an RRO win and an RRO result that was their near miss against St. Thomas I think gets them over the top of UW-P, if not in the tournament.   

[Ralph Turner]

JCU 31 at UMU 28.

The Oshkosh win just got bigger.

Congratulations to the Blue Streaks

[Mr. Ypsi]

If their name wasn't Mt. Union, with their SOS they might not even make Pool C.  But somehow I can't see the committee leaving them out.

[Ralph Turner]

If their name wasn't Mt. Union, with their SOS they might not even make Pool C.  But somehow I can't see the committee leaving them out.

Yes, my thoughts too.

However, CMU beat CWRU 26-21 so that took a little pressure off the committee.

[AUKaz00]

So, if UMU replaces JCU in the projected Pool C list, does a two-loss team replace CWRU?

[USee]

So, if UMU replaces JCU in the projected Pool C list, does a two-loss team replace CWRU?

Platteville may be the beneficiary of that scenario.

[SaintsFAN]

One thing is for sure:  someone is going to be pissed off they were left out. 

I can't wait to hear from Pat, Greg Thomas, et al at 11pm.

[USee]

What we thought was going to be fairly simple just got a lot more interesting. Where to put Mt Union in the region could make a bunch more dominoes fall as far as seeding.

But essentially for bids I think Mt Union replaces CWRU and may go earlier but doesn't change much else?

[Ralph Turner]

What we thought was going to be fairly simple just got a lot more interesting. Where to put Mt Union in the region could make a bunch more dominoes fall as far as seeding.

But essentially for bids I think Mt Union replaces CWRU and may go earlier but doesn't change much else?

I think that UMU falls to 4th in the North Region with JCU being the #3.

The Dannies knocking off Wabash solidifies the strata in the North, UMU being better than Witt.

CWRU's loss drops the mid-region strata in the South.  IMHO, it is HSU alone into Pool C from the South.

Alfred took care of business and SJF falls far enough down the regional ranking to let UMU be on the table in round 4,5 and 6.

[Ralph Turner]

So, if UMU replaces JCU in the projected Pool C list, does a two-loss team replace CWRU?

I think that Muhlenberg is at the table when the 6th bid is awarded.

[USee]

Well, the north committee has an issue. Because if the north RAC puts UMU ahead of Wheaton in the rankings at 9-1 (which would necessitate moving JCU ahead of Wheaton too) then the National Committee could wait on UMU because of their weak criteria til later rounds, effectively blocking Wheaton. That may be doubtful but it really depends on where the North RAC puts the Raiders in the rankings. If Wheaton is blocked by UMU this process is a lot different.

[cubs]

So what do the four #1 seeds look like now?

UMHB, Whitewater, St. Thomas, and North Central???

[USee]

So what do the four #1 seeds look like now?

UMHB, Whitewater, St. Thomas, and North Central???

Either NCC or Alfred, both are 10-0. Alfred may get the nod because they need an east sort of pod

[Ralph Turner]

Second Regional Rankings (SOS prior to the 11th week)

East Region   
1 Alfred 10-0 10-0  E8  .552
2 St. John Fisher 8-2 8-2 E8   Lost to Alfred today   .563
3 Hobart 9-1 9-1  LL    .605
4 Wesley 8-2 8-2  NJAC   .584
5 Stevenson 9-1 9-1  MAC   .501
6 Western New England 10-0 10-0  NEFC   .500
7 Salisbury 7-3 7-3  NJAC Lost to Frostburg St today  .533
8 Albright 7-3 7-3  MAC    .571
9 Frostburg State 9-1 9-1  NJAC    .504
10 St. Lawrence 9-1 9-1  LL   .500


North Region   
1 Mount Union 9-1 9-1  OAC  .454
2 North Central (Ill.) 8-0 10-0   CCIW  .527
3 Wheaton (Ill.) 9-1 9-1  CCIW  .551
4 John Carroll 9-1 9-1  OAC    .472
5 Olivet 8-1 8-1        MIAA         .561
6 Wittenberg 8-1 8-1  NCAC        .527
7 Wabash 8-2 8-2        NCAC      .450 
8 Rose-Hulman 7-2 7-2 HCAC        .504
9 Franklin 8-1 8-2     HCAC            .499
10 Illinois Wesleyan 7-2 7-2 CCIW   .517


South Region   
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 9-0 10-0   ASC    .581   Pool B
2 Johns Hopkins 10-0 10-0  CC      .517
3 Hardin-Simmons 7-1 9-1  ASC     .547   
4 Case Western Reserve 9-1 9-1 Pres AC   .475  Lost to CMU today.
5 Thomas More 9-1 9-1  Pres AC   .527
6 Muhlenberg 9-1 9-1    CC   .481
7 Berry 9-1 9-1  SAA .496
8 Randolph-Macon 9-1 9-1  ODAC  .492
9 Huntingdon 8-1 9-1  .448  USA South
10 Centre 8-2 8-2  SAA

West Region   
1 UW-Whitewater 10-0 10-0  WIAC .576
2 St. Thomas 10-0 10-0  MIAC .511
3 UW-Oshkosh 8-1 9-1  WIAC  .617
4 Coe 10-0 10-0  IIAC   .521
5 Linfield 8-1 8-1  NWC  .527
6 St. John's  9-1 9-1  MIAC       .504
7 Monmouth 10-0 10-0  MWC   .527
8 UW-Platteville 7-2 8-2  WIAC   .588
9 Concordia-Moorhead 7-2 7-3  MIAC  .466
10 Northwestern (Minn.) 9-1 9-1  UMAC  .466


Corrections appreciated.