2025 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

[Hopkins92]

Further to the reality that is unfolding with Messiah - Id offer more evidence related to the inability to adapt, and McCarty's inability to coach - which is the lack of improvement and impact with key talent.  Matt McDonald took the country by storm his senior season and won NPOY - he was a unique and very gifted talent - and as a result of his monstrous season - all eyes were on him and Messiah when he came back for his 5th season.  However, his 5th year was a shadow of the year prior - and I would argue was based on him being a known entity that others adjusted to.  He was man marked and doubled the entire season - and instead of adjusting the shape and scheme to support McDonald - Messiah and Coach McCarty rolled out the only play book he knew - and the results were predictable.  Dave Brandt has shown his ability to be successful at different programs and levels - including putting Bucknell on the map.....and he did this by adapting, by recruiting , and showing that he is a coach.  McCarty continues to show that he operates like the head coach in "The Waterboy" - if it isn't in his "stolen" playbook - he doesn't  have a great means to create or deliver.  Poor results will affect recruiting, and his other tired play book of " Dont call us, we will call you" will be negatively affected as well.  Now, they clearly still have great talent, and this is greatly helped with a very weak conference - which should always give them an AQ path each year...however - much needs to change - or I think the current state may just be the future state.  Its been a great run.....

This does seem to be a post from a fairly spiteful Lycoming college fan/player from 2017 I presume? If so--the comments from here on out should be considered null and void.

In other news/along similar lines--York coach/former Lyco Head has developed a very competitive/no holds bar team at York--similar to what he did at Lycoming. So should be a fairly competitive MAC C final no matter what


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Actual Lycoming fan/player here from that "era". You can go ahead and take your "click bait" somewhere else and leave our team's name out of this conversation.

We had the utmost respect for the Messiah teams of those years. We were the only program to find repeated success against them in the conference and arguably the country during that period. Regardless of where they stand now, we would not/ did not take any digs at them anywhere, much less behind the anonymity of a message board.

We went toe to toe with them during that period... their last two national championships (2013, 2017) ... the MAC Commonwealth Champions in those two years... Lycoming College!

Since McCarty took over in 2009 the only time Messiah didn't win the conference championship... 2013,2015,2017... who won in those years - Lycoming College.

2015 being the only year Messiah didn't win the National Championship or Conference Championship during that run... which is also the only year they didn't make the NCAA tournament during McCarty's tenure... while Lycoming made it to the Sweet 16 before bowing out to eventual National Champions - Amherst.

Tip my cap to Messiah and what McCarty has been able to do for these past 17 years. If anyone could spiteful, it should be any one of the other programs that didn't sniff a championship during that time... not the only team to have success.

Not a dig at anyone in this chain, but thanks for the perspective RW... That's great context.

[Hopkins92]

Further to the reality that is unfolding with Messiah - Id offer more evidence related to the inability to adapt, and McCarty's inability to coach - which is the lack of improvement and impact with key talent.  Matt McDonald took the country by storm his senior season and won NPOY - he was a unique and very gifted talent - and as a result of his monstrous season - all eyes were on him and Messiah when he came back for his 5th season.  However, his 5th year was a shadow of the year prior - and I would argue was based on him being a known entity that others adjusted to.  He was man marked and doubled the entire season - and instead of adjusting the shape and scheme to support McDonald - Messiah and Coach McCarty rolled out the only play book he knew - and the results were predictable.  Dave Brandt has shown his ability to be successful at different programs and levels - including putting Bucknell on the map.....and he did this by adapting, by recruiting , and showing that he is a coach.  McCarty continues to show that he operates like the head coach in "The Waterboy" - if it isn't in his "stolen" playbook - he doesn't  have a great means to create or deliver.  Poor results will affect recruiting, and his other tired play book of " Dont call us, we will call you" will be negatively affected as well.  Now, they clearly still have great talent, and this is greatly helped with a very weak conference - which should always give them an AQ path each year...however - much needs to change - or I think the current state may just be the future state.  Its been a great run.....

This does seem to be a post from a fairly spiteful Lycoming college fan/player from 2017 I presume? If so--the comments from here on out should be considered null and void.

In other news/along similar lines--York coach/former Lyco Head has developed a very competitive/no holds bar team at York--similar to what he did at Lycoming. So should be a fairly competitive MAC C final no matter what


Thanks

Actual Lycoming fan/player here from that "era". You can go ahead and take your "click bait" somewhere else and leave our team's name out of this conversation.

We had the utmost respect for the Messiah teams of those years. We were the only program to find repeated success against them in the conference and arguably the country during that period. Regardless of where they stand now, we would not/ did not take any digs at them anywhere, much less behind the anonymity of a message board.

We went toe to toe with them during that period... their last two national championships (2013, 2017) ... the MAC Commonwealth Champions in those two years... Lycoming College!

Since McCarty took over in 2009 the only time Messiah didn't win the conference championship... 2013,2015,2017... who won in those years - Lycoming College.

2015 being the only year Messiah didn't win the National Championship or Conference Championship during that run... which is also the only year they didn't make the NCAA tournament during McCarty's tenure... while Lycoming made it to the Sweet 16 before bowing out to eventual National Champions - Amherst.

Tip my cap to Messiah and what McCarty has been able to do for these past 17 years. If anyone could spiteful, it should be any one of the other programs that didn't sniff a championship during that time... not the only team to have success.

Not a dig at anyone in this chain, but thanks for the perspective RW... That's great context.

[Mr_November]

RetiredWarrior had me reflecting upon some of those elite Lycoming teams in the prime days of Nate Gibboney. Their run in 2017 was quite something. They beat Messiah (at Messiah) in the MAC Commonwealth Championship and then went on to win their first round NCAA match against Lehmann, 2-1.

Lycoming then lost in the second round of the NCAAs to #12 ranked Drew (who were 21-0-1 that season) off a direct free kick in the 74th minute. Shots were 10-3 in favor of Lyco in the first half, and 12-4 in favor of Drew in the second half. Seems to have been a real battle, as there were 5 yellow cards, 2 red cards, 20 fouls for Drew, 23 fouls for Lyco. Lyco finished that season with a program record 19 wins.

[D3SoccerTalker]

RetiredWarrior had me reflecting upon some of those elite Lycoming teams in the prime days of Nate Gibboney. Their run in 2017 was quite something. They beat Messiah (at Messiah) in the MAC Commonwealth Championship and then went on to win their first round NCAA match against Lehmann, 2-1.

Lycoming then lost in the second round of the NCAAs to #12 ranked Drew (who were 21-0-1 that season) off a direct free kick in the 74th minute. Shots were 10-3 in favor of Lyco in the first half, and 12-4 in favor of Drew in the second half. Seems to have been a real battle, as there were 5 yellow cards, 2 red cards, 20 fouls for Drew, 23 fouls for Lyco. Lyco finished that season with a program record 19 wins.

Yes—absolutely. Initial post was not meant to be a dig at all—just a silly side comment from the initial post regarding Messiah and the interesting comments from that section.

Utmost respect for Gibboney and his Lyco days—and current days as he has really turned York around almost immediately and made them a force—almost nationally at this point.

Just wanted to clear the air about some odd Messiah comments with some comedic relief...now back to the main content

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[Freddyfud]

Good candidate for runaway team this year?  Emory.  Lights out vs. Sewanee in the first half so far with a Cubeddu hatty.

[paclassic89]

He's still playing?! 

[Newenglander]

He's still playing?! 

grad student

[Freddyfud]

He's still playing?! 

Playing is an understatement based on his first half performance.  And it is difficult to pick which of the 3 goals was the best.  All were impressive.

Edit: and he just scored a fourth.

[kansas hokie]

and the fourth was the best IMHO, a 30 yard screamer into upper 90. He had an amazing night.

[paclassic89]

Good for him and good for Emory but dude's gotta be close to his mid 20's at this point lol

[SKUD]

Probably 23ish like the rest of his class.

[paclassic89]

He turns 25 in October

[Kuiper]

He turns 25 in October

A child compared to the 58 year-old freshman defensive lineman at Lycoming this season

"It's a little more challenging than what I had anticipated, and I didn't come into this naive ... Whether you're 18 or 58, you better have a little bit of crazy in you to step out on this field," he said. "This is college football, and it's real, and it's live contact, and it's physical, and it's tough."

Cillo spent 33 years plowing streets, fixing roads and maintaining parks in Williamsport before retirement. He's sore now, but the criminal justice major is living his dream that took four decades to achieve.

If Cillo plays a snap this season, he'll be one of the oldest to ever play in a college football game. The NCAA has no age limits for Division III sports. In 2009, a 61-year-old kicked an extra point for Austin College in Texas. A 59-year-old played linebacker for Sul Ross State University in Texas in 2007.

[Mr_November]

Well, there's been plenty of talk in this thread about Messiah and Lyco. Fear not D3 Sports Fans -- these two will meet on Wednesday in Grantham, 7:00 PM!

Lyco are 3-2-3 and coming into this matchup with wins over Mount Aloysius, Gettysburg, and John Carroll. They tied Catholic on 1-1 on Saturday.

[Mr_November]

Are Scranton going to a force to be reckoned with come November?

The Royals have conceded 1 goal this season, and that was against Rowan (sorry for cross-posting, I mentioned this in another thread). With how stout Scranton's defense is, It's hard to imagine them being an easy out. They have incredible height and physicality and they press with tremendous discipline.